Could peak norris beat a 30 year old or younger Leonard?

Like I said Leonard vs Price. Watch how many blows Leonard lands.
Norris is close to hand speed of Leonard and I might actually give him the edge in power and strength but Leonard is the complete package- speed,skill and durability .
Norris had a bad chin there is no way in getting around that .

 

Leonard aged 35 - Norris aged 24

Is that all you got?

 

Hagler was actually 33 and a half approx when he lost to Leonard and was an active fighter at his best weight unlike Leonard who was 34 and a half when he fought Terry Norris and was a part time fighter who's last win was a farce against a fat Duran in their third fight.

All Leonard did was stick n move around a fat, unmotivated Duran in a massive ring. Hardly the kind of fight to prepare him for a young, powerful speedster like Norris.

Leonard also had no proven form at 160 at all when he faced Hags.

Some people can't see the forest for the trees.

 

Norris was no slouch by any stretch but SRL was an ATG and a younger SRL could have edged this fight out with his tenacity to overcome which he showed with Hearns ad others

 

I think even against a prime Leonard, this is a pretty even fight, if Norris turned up with the exact same gameplan as their actual fight. But I'd still pick Leonard as he is the more complete fighter with no serious chinks in his armour. Norris's chin wasn't the greatest and while I think that would be a bigger weakness against someone like Hearns, Leonard rarely let opponents off the hook once they were hurt. He was a great finisher and I only think he'd need one chance to get it done. Somewhere over the 12 rounds, Norris's flaw would be exposed. Leonard by KO or TKO around the 10th.

 

Totally agree with all this. Norris with his speed, power and sharpness would indeed be difficult and awkward. His chin would be the turning point.

You can see Leonard, even while getting thrashed, attempting to set traps and find that chin but he just was no longer sharp enough to get it done.

 

I think the latter.

 

Id take prime Leonard under Dundee to beat Norris. Leonard in 91 under Pepe Corea hardly even looked like a Ray Leonard impersonator. He had no game plan , tactics or ideas at all in that fight. He looked like he was winging it on a round by round.
Apparently he was having serious divorce issues at the time and went into the fight totally unprepared mentally.

Or else he just had a low ring iq all along and compensated for it through his immense physical and athletic attributes.

 

Terry Norris had a weak chin, his Achillie's Heal , always .. Terry Norris could not stop a shell of Ray Leonard .. A prime Leonard would neutralize him early, out think him with his far greater ring IQ and catch that chin and take him out.

 

I agree Hagler was not shot when Leonard beat him.

But, he was likely 35 yrs old, not 33.

He was listed as being born in 1952 until sometime in the '80s when he suddenly claimed to be born in 1954.

He turned pro in '73 so the 1952 birth date is probably true.

 

that's all I need. Ray, tho 34 yrs. , had not aged and relativively fresh - like virgin snow

How? thru careful mgmt (also called selective mgmt)

until matched with Norris where we watched him fall apart. it was just too much for him

too much movement

too much hand speed

where Ray spends time looking for openings, Terry pitches!

Ray isnt accustomed to this type of opponent in which I predicted was the type who had the perfect style to change Sugar from SWEET to ordinary (also see rounds 8, 8, 10, 11, 12 Hearns 1, Bonds)

It's a fact; Leonard does not handle movement well, reduced to an ordinary, inexperienced stalker, throwing one punch at a time/haymakers and susceptible to lightning quick counters which intimidated him

Ray was a great fighter but no doubt about it, the Norris fight was his waterloo

 

you talk about trolls!

 

Would you say Mullings, Rosenblatt and Boudouani were Terry's waterloo? Was he found out?

 

Oh look at the excuses. of course, its the divorce. it HAD to be!

while my man has the actual win (something neither Leonard nor his fans will EVER have), they do have the excuses and their hypothetical win based on a creative imagination where Terry's chin let's him down at the crucial moment and Leonard's "far greater ring IQ"

 

what a stupid thing to say, that Leonard neutralizes him early. if anything, it would have to be late in the fight where Terry (hopefully) slows down and forgets to tie up. this isnt FANTASY BOXING!

if i didnt know better, I'd swear SRL fans hold it against Terry for fighting such a brilliant, flawless fight plan, utilizing all of his strengths to the T, and in so doing, made a fool out of Leonard. well, it's no wonder why he "hardly even looked like a Ray Leonard impersonator."

only speedsters like Norris, Jones, prime Camacho possessed this level of speed to take Sugar out of his game and turn Sugar into sour