Who has a better KOs, TKOs, & RTD ratio than Wilder?

Doesn't explain the rest of his career nor does it explain Marciano's career.

 

I'm from Dixie. Y'all tell me all the time what it's like in dixie, how we must be connected because it's still America etc. It makes sense to me because I've lived the moneyline myself.

 

I'm saying you're cherry picking instances in an attempt to negate trend. AJ has a slew of TKOs which is more normal in boxing. Wilder has a slew of KOs, kind of an oddity only really shared with Marciano in the division.

If your hate is so much that you can't have a conversation about him, explain why AJ has more TKOs while Marciano has more KOs both early while feasting on no hopers and late while making a name on old champions. "Because Martin sat on ass" doesn't answer much of dick really.

 

Same to you.

Explain the primary difference in Marciano's career and Joshua's that isn't found in Wilder's career.

Joshua fought shitty fighter early in his career then later took out a decent contender, an old champion, and made a decent defense.

Marciano fought shitty fighters early in his career then later took out peer contenders, old champions, and made decent defenses.

They should have a pretty similar KO to TKO breakdown shouldn't they? Unless for some reason AJ's style of fighting gives referees more time to call off a fight than Marciano did.

I mean, yes I realize England calls them faster than America and the 21st century calls them way faster than 20th, but Joshua's the norm here not Marciano or Wilder. So England doesn't explain say Parker, or Wlad, or Foreman, or Tyson.

 

What are you talking about? That's not even an attempt to explain.

I'm sorry bud, I'm really not trying to be a dick here but I think you misunderstood me. I'll try to reword and be as concise as possible:

Why do Marciano and Wilder share a similarity in KO and TKO ratio when Marciano and Joshua share much more in terms of career path?

Is it flawed? Seems to me like y'all're bit stuck on criticism. You focus solely on criticism and have a hard time following narrative.

 

Are you prepared to claim AJ hits more often than Marciano as well?

I think you guys are leaving that parrell out on purpose because it nerfs easy answers.

It can't possibly be a case of AJ having an abnormal amount of early ref stoppages, being from the UK, hitting more often, or anything else you want to claim AJ does. Nothing about Joshua's KO to TKO ratio is abnormal.

You guys keep making excuses for AJ not getting the KO and you're missing the point entirely. Why AJ gets TKOs more often than KOs is obvious, that's what most knockout artists get. That's what you should expect to see.

All that's gone on here is a gaggle of halfwits have stepped with half-assed excuses because you can't handle allowing Wilder to be called special in any regard.

What do HWs who get KOs more often than TKOs have in common? Something Joshua doesn't share and that's all that really has you bothered. Y'all can't admit AJ isn't top in every single aspect no matter how nominal or unimportant it is. And the kicker is you call yourselves grown ass men.


No doubt like Opinion you'll just shift gears and try to take shine elsewhere with reaching statements.

 

Oh Opinion, yer a funny scamp.

Let's review.

First it's because of level of competition, then it became top ten, then it went to money, then it went to cherry picked details of Joshua's and Wilder's resumes forgetting I left a total of 8 to start off the convo because we all know yer not here to actually discuss Wilder ratio and what that means in historical context but rather do whatever you can to assure Joshua looks better at all times.

Now we find ourselves at TKO>KO alright, do me a favor and explain how that notion is counter intuitive to the claim that Wilder's got one of the KO friendliest ratios the division has ever seen and that comes from putting power ahead of defense?

TKO's can be your personal favorite, hell they can be empirically ruled more dangerous situations, that wouldn't change the fact that having a KO heavy ratio is rare, nor does it address the assertion that that is due to energy transfer.

 

Hmm, I get you, bit different from what I'm talking about.

Actual knocked unconscious numbers would be interesting but I'm talking about ending the fight in your opponent versus the ref or time ending the fight. It's why I included RTDs, which I dunno why no one gives a **** about the RTDs in this conversation but I think of them as more impressive than TKOs myself.

If you're more interested in a sited breakdown of every truly knocked to sleep KO, well, so am I. but my dude look at the eight guys I mentioned. It'd take some time to write that breakdown let alone research it. I agree that real, sleeping, KOs would be the best example but I don't think there's a source for that so I'd have to put it together myself, and to really appreciate the scope of it I'd have to do at least a few more than just AJ and Wilder for some reference points.


That said, I'm down actually. I'll make another thread, give me the names to breakdown and let's see who is the king of shutting off lights. I assume Wilder and AJ but who else should I include to establish what are the norms for the HW division and who today is exceptional?