Canelo: "I watched the fight back. I won by 2 rounds"

I don't even know WTF you're arguing about then.

Of course Canelo and his team are bias towards him, just like GGG and his team are bias.

If you can't debate then don't bother responding to me, its pointless.

 

I responded to a thread about Canelo saying he watch a fight and thought he won as if it was some unbiased view.

It was YOU who quoted me and threw in your opinion of what rnd he clearly won. You have your head so far up his ass you have a hard time with reading comprehension. I not once stated he won or lose. Or hell that his view is wrong. But it is in no way unbiased. Yes, same can be said about Golovkin but this thread isn't about him.

So before you start telling people to stop respond to YOU, you need to realize it is you quoting people.

 

IYou made a public comment, I responded to your comment and challenged you, you started crying about how I'm bias. If you don't want anyone challenging you then maybe you shouldn't be posting here.

 

Do you know how to ****ing read? My comment on here was how Canelo can not be unbiased toward himself.

Now you "challenge me" to argue with you on a stance I didn't even bring up? Please tell me where I stated he won or lost in this thread. Come on. As soon as you do that we can argue. Also arguing with you is pointless when it comes to Canelo. SO I stated it so. You are not going to convince me and I am not going to convince you on whether he won or lost. It is pointless.

 

Then it should have been no worse than 8-4 GGG. I've seen all the scoring punches landed and counted in slo mo and it was about 180 something-80 something for GGG. It wasn't even close. Forget the ring generalship and GGG pushing canelo backwards all night, it was a blow out in scoring punches. And when GGG sticks his chin out the final two rounds as he chases canelo, BEGGING canelo to punch him so he could trade with him, (when he could have just took the rounds off and boxed) he was so in control of that fight It wasn't even funny.

 

If you counted all the punches, then you must have put in some extensive work and time, so I take it you have a round by round break down right? Since pro boxing is scored using the 10 point must system, then we have to score each round individually. Clean hard punches, defense, effective aggression, and ring generalship MUST be used to judge each round.

Also, I wouldn't say coming forward means you are controlling the tempo of the fight, many fighters, especially counter punchers including Canelo prefer to fight off the back foot depending on the style and gameplan they decide to employ.

Canelo clearly won rounds 1-3 using defense, clean hard punching, ring generalship and effective aggression. I can see someone giving GGG rounds 4-9 based on his aggression, and possibly ring generalship. I give Canelo rounds 10-12 based on clean hard punches, ring generalship, and again defense.

GGG failed at effective aggression in rounds 1-3 and 10-12. A fighter that misses nearly 70% of his punches doesn't in effective aggression. GGG did not show better defense than Canelo. And you do not nned to watch the fight is slowww motion to see that Canelo was more consistent in landing the cleaner harder punches.

As far as ring generalship, well, its all very subjective, but what I saw was the counter puncher, counter punching. I saw Canelo lure many of his opponents to engage him against the ropes including Kirkland, Chavez, Smith and Golovkin, so I don't necessarily believe that Canelo was fighting outside his element when he was baiting GGG tom come after him on the ropes.

As I've said before Flexb, a very good argument can be made that Canelo won rounds 1-3 and 10-12, and a very good argument can be made that GGG swept rounds 4-9. You can also argue that Canelo won one or two rounds between rounds 4-9 and you can argue that GGG may have picked up a round between 1-3 and 10-12.

As much as the GGG riders don't want to admit, the fight was very close on a round by round basis, whatever bias you used to score the fight will give you an array of scorecards as has been the case with this fight.

Bottom line is, whether you had GGG winning, or Canelo winning the end result is that it was close, it could have been scored either way, and a draw as much as we hate them is also a fair card.

 

Sad that unless the ref stops the action, that even the idiots scoring landed punches count a glancing hip punch as a landed power shot for Alvarez.

I counted no less than 15 easy call low blows that didn't even get a gesture from Weeks.

The judges can play dumb when the ref lets fouls go unanswered.
Sad that even with those illegal undeterring shots being counted, that Alvarez was still out landed 2/1, and we have to play stupid to think who's punches were harder.

 

Weeks? The ref was Kenny Bayless. I do recall several shots that hit the lower part of Golovkin's belt-line from Alvarez, two of them happened in a single round, but both of those were not thrown low, they were targeted to the body / upper-belt line, blocked by Golovkin and pushed down towards the hip. There was that behind the back punch by Alvarez in the clinch, but that wasn't a low blow. I don't think there was a single clear (easy as you say) low blow from Alvarez, let alone 15.

 

Nothing Alvarez did looked deliberate. And yeah, some of the low blows caught a piece of the "beltline".
I didn't see if GGG pushed the blows down, but I was paying more attention to the low blows being counted as landed punches. If they were parried low, they're still not landed power shots as recorded by compubox scorers.
I know that the ref, judges, and compubox scorers don't have a DVR and slow motion replay, BUT WE DO.

More than 80 clean punches by GGG and out landed Alvarez in 10 of the 12 rds.

Controlled the action for more than 2 mins in 9 of the 12 rds and out landed Alvarez by 6+ punches in 2 rds that each idiot judge scored for Alvarez.

As for my weeks mistake.... I often get the two mixed up... weird considering thier completely different body type and color LMAO

 

Me personally i thought Canelo legit edged both fights and view them as quality wins.
Speaking on both fights first i thought the Trout fight was an enjoyable tactical scrape prime Trout unbeaten off a top teir win vs a growing Canelo in line for a $ shot. I think the result coukd be considered a draw or a close win either way but i felt that was more due to circumstances than anything the first 8 rds were competitive with Alvarez having a early lead like 5-3 and the kd which came shortly before or after rd 8 i can't recall. Looking at it like pointed out open scoring ruined the fight Alvarez looked simply like he took his foot off the gas after being announced so far ahead which allowed Trout to muck up what should of been a resounding victory for Canelo.
The Lara fight I've scored 7-5 everytime for Canelo, first off even ppl who are pro's who thought Lara won all said A. It was a 7-5 type fight & B. That Lara ran during the fight. Saying that Lara started strong imo winning 3/4 first rds, Canelo put Lara in super track star mode and won the mid rds of bodywork and activity, they traded the final 3 rds 2-1 and i had Alvarez winning.

Some note looking at both fighters Trout #1 JMW a titlist under WBA, afterwards only real clear loss until recently was to Lara arguably a shot Trout beat Charlo worse than a Prime trout vs Canelo.
Lara is aruably unbeaten by some going in only loss to Williams was a widely panned robbery, was a titlist at 54 and is a Champion holding the real version of that same org since is currently #1 at 54 years later. Having a tough fight vs either is nothing to sneeze at, you should know on the top level close fights happen.

Realistically if Alvarez beat Trout 7-5 x3, beat Lara 7-5 x2 and so on instead of having one wide score noone would debate them like that. Because of one bad card is why we have these discussions i mean Lara fight wasn't even a UD it was a spilt decsion which was the correct result and ppl are mad about one card if it was 7-5,7-5 canelo to 5-7 Lara MD noone would really be mad.

 

Can we all just sum up our options here in 30 words or less?

 

Im done talking about the first fight, well see who's the better man in the rematch May 5th.

 

El Pollo lost the first fight, that's clear and the vast majority agree.

One thing is for certain, Oscar will own the judges, boxing commission and referee......................Bob Bennett does not want Golovkin to win and he shows it...............El Pollo's idol is Byrd....................