Just rewatched Froch vs Groves 1 if Groves is anywhere close to that level he beats JNR easy

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  1. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    You sound like you are just hedging your bet, so no matter the outcome you will claim to be a genius.

    There is nobody at 168 that has ever been that would beat Jr easy.
     
  2. Brighton bomber

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    I would give the Groves that fought Froch in their first fight a much better chance to beat CEJ. But I think that fight flattered Groves. Froch had basically over looked and underestimated Groves and probably fought his worst fight since the first Kessler fight. We saw in the rematch a much more focused Froch and that Froch was able to box on even terms with Groves despite Groves speed advantage and supposed great jab.

    Current Groves has definitely faded. His hand speed isn't what it was for one, but he is more experienced and has learned something from all those loses and close fights. If things get tough against CEJ in a close fight that experience might be the difference.

    But I'm still favouring CEJ. I give Groves a punchers chance and he will be dangerous in the first half of the fight but I think CEJ's pressure will be too much and he will grind down Groves and stop him.
     
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  3. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    So what's your official prediction?
     
  4. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Good footwook and speed always gave Froch problems. You want to stand toe to toe with him? You're not going to beat the guy. But movement and speed renders him ineffective.

    If Groves could've maintained that over 12 rounds he could have UD'd Froch in the first fight....but he faded badly as he always seems to do.


    I actually see this as a similar fight to Froch v Groves 1.

    The difference? Groves doesn't have the chin or engine to survive like Froch did.


    Eubank by mid-late stoppage.
     
  5. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    He won't give you a clear prediction, this is classic boxing master. He refused to tell me his pick for Spence-Brook.
     
  6. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Groves is noticeably slower than when he fought Froch, if anything Jnr's saying it as it is.
     
  7. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Of course there is, quite a few from these shores let alone the Americans !
     
  8. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Groves from the first fight with Froch was the best ive ever seen him, i think that was his peak and think he has declined some but i could definitely be wrong. I think Jnr beats him no matter what and if he does he should no doubt be considered the best in the world at 168.
     
  9. the factor

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    Eubank is one the fittest and most dedicated pros in the game. All he does is train and box. He has no vices. His daddy watches him like a hawk. Won't even let talk to girls. He has continued to improve to the point where he is more rhythmic and orthodox with better timing than before. He has also increased his punching power. He is the best smw right now. There are a couple of guys from the past who would have beaten him but no one past or present beats him easy. He has a work rate that is difficult for anyone to handle. He opened at $1.73 with the bookies and has been crunched into $1.57. I still reckon his current price is the best bet in a while. He is a certainty to beat Groves so jump on if you like making easy money.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Chudinov would've beaten Groves if his defence didn't consist of putting his chin in the way of every shot his opponent throws and Chudinov is bang average.
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Well in Groves defense, I'm pretty sure Froch right now could come out of retirement, and clean out the Super Middleweight division, beating most of them by stoppage. He beats any version of DeGale, any version of Jack, Ramirez, the Benavidez that fought Gavril, Smith and Eubank with relative ease.
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I had the Chudinov match a near shut out for Groves, George's defense was impeccable, Groves was slipping and catching the majority of Fedor's shots, and the timing and accuracy of his counters was immaculate, it wasn't near the war people seem to think it was, I think because of George's perceived frailties, they don't process Groves fights properly, they're always expecting or in their mind's eye fearing the worst, not you necessarily, but he was never not in control against Fedor or Cox
     
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  13. Serge

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    I'll have to watch it again. I was pretty nervous for Groves in that one because I really wanted to see him achieve his dream of winning a world title after coming so close before in those failed attempts so maybe that affected my perception of how much trouble he was in. At the the time I thought Chudinov's pressure was really getting to him and I feared he was going to overwhelm him in the later rounds.
     
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  14. CST80

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    I remember doing that RBR quite well, I was scoring the rounds for Groves, then sneaking a look at everyone's reactions in between rounds, and was thinking, what are they watching? Granted, I tend to get tunnel vision and try to block out any preconceived notions or fears I may bring into a fight, and only focus on what's landing and what isn't, and I had the same fears you had going into that one, I'm a huge Groves fan, but while I can see where people might have panicked, Chudinov was aggressive as hell, but it was mostly ineffective aggression.
     
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  15. Octolony shore

    Octolony shore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The best groves still couldn't beat an old Froch on his worst night, eubank jnr is in his prime so I won't be surprised if he gives groves a hammering. The only thing I'm questioning is does jnr have the chin he says he has, if he does groves is very beatable.