Who has a better KOs, TKOs, & RTD ratio than Wilder?

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  1. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    He was supposed to fight Wilder like a year before that little BS.

    It was only signed after the WBC insisted they would finally enforce the purse bid date, after allowing something like 3 or 4 postponements
     
  2. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1:25 is where he blatantly answers Yes Povetkin chose to duck Wilder.

    Wilder did say his haters do **** research.
     
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  3. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    No but thats just something you made up, good one.
    Why did Wilder chose to fight Duhaupas in September?
     
  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Wilder had only made one defense of his title at that point of time. Povetkin should have been at the ready , instead he wasted a year taking 6 months to re-enter the ring having spent a whole of 90's seconds in it vs Mike Perez.
    And singing the Wach fight meant he was going to be out for another 6 months. There was no need at all to take the fight with Wach.
     
  5. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    With the greatest of respect, how is Sulaiman expected to be truthful?

    This is a guy who has allowed Wilder to make 6 defences against insignificant opposition.....
     
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  6. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I like Wilder and I look forward to seeing him against the top level of the sport.

    But the answer as to Why Wilder is such a great Ko artist and why Marciano was one is two different answers. Wilder has insane natural power for his build like Tommy Hearns did. His straight right is a killer with speed and accuracy. If he lands it his opponent is going down. The issue is if he tries going beyond the third punch in a combination he tends to get very disorganised when trying to flurry to put a guy away. His feet get out from under him. No doubting his power though.

    With Marciano everything was a grind. He'd beat guys untill they just couldn't defend themselves anymore, couldn't lift there arms or just to weary to get away from him. He looks more organised in flurrying than Wilder because of his short squat body type. But if you made Marciano 6'7" and had him fight more or less the same grinding way he'd look disorganised too. But Marciano always brought his feet with him because he was 5'9" and didn't have Wilder's huge reach. He has to bring his feet with him.

    At this point I would say people mythologise Rocky and hate on Wilder because Rocky did fight the best available and Wilder has yet to take that step. In a few years when all is said and done, I don't think Wilder will have quite as many haters. He looks awkward and ungainly but if he can keep knocking guys cold there'll be no doubt about his power.
     
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  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Meh depends what you count as a KO. For example look at some of Wilder's KO's. He KO'ed Molina apparently, he dropped him 3 times in earlier rounds before finally KOing him with a shot to the back of the head and even then the ref waived the fight off, he never even started the count and Molina got up right after it was waived off, no way he would of been down for the full 10.

    Then look at the Firtha KO. He goes down, ref waives it off as he is getting up. Once again counted as a KO, but again he would of got up before the 10 count had the ref bothered to count to 10.

    Then there was the Malik Scott KO, where we all know he took a dive.

    Kelvin Price KO again ref stopped fight when he got to 5. Maybe Price would of gotten up, maybe not, he had gotten to his knees but was really hurt.

    McCreary KO as well was a case of the McCreary going down and ref immediately calling it off without a count. McCreary looked OK probably could of gotten up.

    Caudle got dropped by a chopping right, went to his knees and stayed there, he clearly could of gotten up but didn't want to get up and was happy to be counted out.

    If the criteria for a KO is a ref waiving it off with the opponent on the floor not giving him a chance to get up then Joshua should have some of his TKO's changed to KO's. That's what happened with Breazeale and Whyte.
     
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  8. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also you initial post is somewhat unclear, it took me a while to figure it out. Maybe look at giving it an edit before this thread gets anymore out of hand.
     
  9. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    There was no need at all to take the fight with Duhaupas, why did Wilder do it?
     
  10. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he beat Povetkin or Ortiz he would be the clear #1 contender, no doubt about it. But for a litany of reasons he hasn't. I'm not even saying it's his fault. But until he does he's just another big puncher who has been taking out weaker opposition and boxing history is littered with stories like that which often ended in failure.

    The coming year or two will clear all of this up hopefully, but for now Wilder is a top contender who looks awkward and powerful but hasn't quite proven himself just yet.
     
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  11. GlaukosTheHammer

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    I don't think whether or not any of the fighters I mentioned are actually powerful is the debate bud. Maybe I missed your point but describing how Wilder and Marciano generate power differently doesn't address the record similarity. I mean, you can write a nice paragraph on how Foreman generates power too and it wouldn't look out of place would it? it doesn't explain why Foreman has more TKOs than KOs.

    Don't get the wrong impression I enjoyed reading it, but I still have the same question. If not power then what is it that caused Marciano and Wilder to have more KOs than TKOs when most have more TKOs then KOs regardless of who they fought, how great they were, where they're from, or how spectacularly they achieved their finishes. And don't mistake me I'm not saying Wilder is more powerful than Foreman, I'm saying Wilder cares less about defense, probably because he's bad at it, and that affords him better positioning for optimal leverage similar to Rocky in idea but very different in action because look at the size and shape of them.
     
  12. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Something I made up?

    He's ****ing with me right?

    I made up the video? the answer?

    Actually, I don't giva ****. The **** is wrong you? Are you a grown ass man?
     
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  13. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Povetkin did not duck Wilder you idiot.
    Your boy chose to face french pastry chef and then another voluntary because he's a *****.
     
  14. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Because Headvetkin made himself unavailable by fighting Wach.
     
  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Exactly. This FRAUD'S KO ratio is as phony as his ability to take a punch. Chris Byrd could KO the collection of stiffs, has-beens and never-wases Wilder has padded his record with.

    Can't wait until this joke FINALLY steps up and is, predictably, laid out cold.
     
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