Groves or Lemieux. Who is the best fighter?

...Lemieux is clearly stronger and has a harder left hook.

Also you are the only person on this forum that I actually dislike and have no respect for. You are dishonest AND you appear to be an idiot which is not a winning combination. I just want to make that clear so you aren't confused when I insult you at some point which I'm sure will happen.

 

so you finally agree?

 

Jack probably not, we'll see how it goes for him.

elite means that small gp who generally dont lose to any but in that small group.

froch has only lost to ward and kessler, both elite.
therefore he is elite.

u r not elite though at making judgements about elite.

 

That isn't the question you asked though is it?

A victory over an opponent is only 'division relative'.....

Groves is only a contender at SMW because of the transition period the division has been going through. Against Kroch/Kessler/Ward he was a non story.

Just like Lemieux is with GGG/Canelo/BJS.

If GGG and BJS moved up and Canelo stayed bullying welters then Lemieux would again be a contender and likely in the same position Groves currently is in the division above.


That is why, to me, GG is the SMW version of Lemieux and vice versa.

 

just stating facts.....

 

Groves has more skills and is a better rounded fighter. Lemieux is always dangerous because of his power, but I don't know that he hits much harder than Groves on a pound for pound basis, if at all.

 

Elite is that special kind of fighter who doesn't lose to fighters like Kessler...fighters like Calzaghe....like Ward. Froch lost to a shop worn MK and then went life and death to get the W.

Froch got a gift from Dirrell don't forget.....Froch is good, he's very good but he's not elite.

 

GG

 

so you are happy to be wrong about what "elite" means, ok.

dont ever reply to me again, you are on ignore now since I have no interest in debating with people inventing their own language up to suit their agenda.