Who has a better KOs, TKOs, & RTD ratio than Wilder?

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  1. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's stupid, I alredy went through this with a sensible man. Most first KDs get a count, you're best chance to end the fight with a KO is ending it with the first KD. Every subsequent KD is one step closer to a TKO. Easy work bubba try again.
     
  2. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep. Lots of face first guys on that opponent list. Actually, I cannot think of 1 guy he's fought that is good defensively. This isn't even getting into things like mobility or footwork====just a bunch of face first guys everyone hits with their punches.

    Seriously---who would be the best defensive fighter from all of those opponents? Would that particular fighter have what could be called a mediocre defense?

    But if he keeps doing what he has been doing, soon he will approach another heavyweight with lofty numbers--and long since forgotten--Lamar Clark.
     
  3. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Man hits a pendulum and records more energy transferred than Dirty Harry's six shooter, but him ain't powerful 'cause that be'uh a stagnant target?

    No one's talking about delivery, and honestly, if you needed to see talent against other talent before you call the talent out on being talented you're **** at spotting talent, and need to drum up a reason why AJ debuted in the spotlight. He was talented before he even turned pro wasn't he? That Wilder doe....not even his power can be confirmed until he does more than display it, he has to display it against a man what makes yer ***** wet otherwise it's debatable.
     
  4. OpinionOfACasual

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    A KO does not demonstrate more power than a TKO.....
     
  5. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Explain, why did the ref count?

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    Why did he jump in?

    Maybe, just a stab in the dark, maybe the knockdowns tell that story.
     
  6. OpinionOfACasual

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    Well firstly, the ref does a terrible job in the first clip.

    1 - Marciano hits Walcott when Walcott is on 1 knee.
    2 - A count when Walcott is seriously hurt is awful refereeing.

    Secondly, the ref did everything he could in the Klitschko v Joshua fight to ensure Klitschko was allowed to continue. He was giving Wlad 10 second counts followed by 5 seconds of checking his gloves after every KD.


    Finally, I could post videos of Joshua beating opponents where they were on the floor unable to get up yet ruled a TKO. Likewise i could post videos of Wilder beating an opponent, where the opponent would be able to beat the 10 count, but the referee not giving him a chance.


    A KO is not a 'bettter win' or evidence of 'real power' compared to a TKO.
     
  7. Gymbot

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    Comparing modern day fights to fights of yesteryear is pointless when the game has changed so much, particularly in regard to fighter safety.

    Marciano v Walcott is a particularly good example of this for two reasons:-

    Had this fight been fought today, Walcott would have won by unanimous decision (he was up on all 3 scorecards going into the 13th round)

    Assuming the fight wasn't limited to 12 rounds, then the ref would have jumped in, put Walcott in the recovery position and immediately waved the fight off, thereby registering a TKO win for Marciano.

    There are far too many variables to consider when it comes to measuring punching power from a boxer's record (quality of opposition, referee, etc).

    The only way to do it scientifically would be to measure it in a controlled environment. Otherwise it's purely subjective and totally useless as a measure of punching power. Therefore the TKO v KO argument is false.

    And this isn't coming from any form of hate for Wilder. I think he probably does possess greater single punch power than Joshua while Joshua is naturally more heavy handed.
     
  8. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Huh?

    Anyways. Point remains that Wilder's biggest test to date is a 52 year old heart patient
     
  9. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You could post videos of TKOs and talk about power if you like.

    We agree with your assessment of the Klitschko KO. I'm confused where you think you're in contrast to me there.

    "the ref did everything he could in the Klitschko v Joshua fight to ensure Klitschko was allowed to continue. " is counter intuitive to "Most first KDs get a count, you're best chance to end the fight with a KO is ending it with the first KD. Every subsequent KD is one step closer to a TKO. " is it? You have to explain how because to me you're rewording the same point.
     
  10. GlaukosTheHammer

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    I realize the punching power aspect of this is flimsy, what ima huntin is an explanation as to why Wilder's record reflects pre-60s boxing more than modern. So, you kind of have to compare the present to the past to figure that out don't you? If you've a different angle for it I'm open to the suggestion.

    I offered "real power" as a conclusion and when pushed what I mean by that I gave energy transfer. I want to be very clear, I am not using energy interchangeably with other similar terms like force or colloquially as how I did with power or real. when I say energy I mean kinetic and the scientific explanation that goes with and the separation between it and terms like force or the scientific explanation of power.

    So if the Joshua-Wilder thing is your hang up here, how about a friendly wager? If Wilder and Joshua ever have their punches measured by a respectable facility I'll bet you Wilder has more energy in his punches, maybe not force, but in terms of energy. It's not likely they will have their punches measured by a kinesiologist, but if that happens and I am correct I would appreciate you just remembering Hammer called that shizz.


    In boxing terms I'm fairly certain what we're looking at is a case of powerline, but in all honesty my sole understanding of powerline comes from Dempsey's book so I may have misinterpreted what I was reading but he's pretty clear in his meaning and I'm pretty damn sure what Dempsey calls powerline Kinesiologist call kinematic chains. Either way, in short, explosive punches.

    That said, I was careful with my terminology, there's a slew of ways AJ can be proven to be the better knockout artist, however, in the field of energy transfer Wilder's isn't just the current king, he's actually really ****ing good at it. I have been sleeping on it myself and I am a fan, but I'm pretty sure when he and his team are claiming Wilder is an old school or throwback fighter this is what they're talking about. Explosive punches that do work over time very quickly. Again the science nerd understanding of work. Which is why he gets more KOs, like a pre-60s fighter, than TKOs, like a standard modern KO artist like Joshua.
     
  11. OpinionOfACasual

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    They've only shared the ring with one guy....Ask him which has the 'real power'.
     
  12. OpinionOfACasual

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    It will never cease to amaze me the lows that Wilder fans will sink to in order to somehow make Wilder seem a more legitimate heavyweight than Joshua. The facts are simple. Joshua has won every fight within 12 rounds....Wilder hasn't. .Joshua has demonstrated 'real power' against some of the best in the division.....Wilder hasn't. Wlad, Vitali, Haye, Povetkin, Parker - 5 of the top 10 heavyweights in the world during his reign that he has never got in the ring with. He's happy fighting irrelevant nobodies for insignificant cheques and until that chanes, Wilder is an insignificant nobody. Even Jeff Horn has a better resume.
     
  13. GlaukosTheHammer

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    Oh boy, Opinion thought of a new angle.

    Nothing about this thread was meant to be about AJ. Joshua fans being bitches like yourself made it about AJ. You have 9 pages of crying over the same damn thing and no matter how much you cry it doesn't change the fact that Joshua has a normal KO artist's ratio and Wilder has an exceptional KO artist's ratio. I imagine you'll want to cry after reading that, try fighting the urge to represent Joshua's fanbase like a sniveling little girl, ya nunce.
     
  14. Farmboxer

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    Any heavyweight or cruiserweight that fights the same quality of opponents that Wilder fights would have a better ratio! Hell, winos from the alley are easy to knock out!
     
  15. BCS8

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    The "one guy"? ;)