I don't rate Wilder, but Ortiz is no 'monster' or 'bogeyman'.

This thread is nothing but damage control for Wilder haters, if/when he beats Ortiz.

 

He's fought all scrubs since Jennings.

 

True but he was stupid to get with Hearn to begin with, there was no way Hearn was gunna look for his best interest when he has AJ.

 

Ortiz is painfully slow. And although extremely uncoordinated, Deontay is quick to pull his head back and quick to move out of range. He is also extremely alert as he is frightened of getting tagged because he knows he cannot take a punch.

I do not see Ortiz being able to land from one of his traps without having to absorb one of Deontays right hand leg shakers, and when that happens the fight is over.

A 50 year old Cuban, with a dodgy chin...its going to be over pretty quickly.

 

Incorrect about the Jennings fight. While Ortiz landed a few good shots early, Jennings was outworking Ortiz on the inside. Ortiz was forced to adjust and it wasn't until ORTIZ went on the backfoot to create some distance that he could finally box and pick his shots leading to him Ko'ing Jennings.

 

I think Jackson gave Jennings a bad gameplan.

Jackson made Jennings and Algeri come forward fighters lol

 

I don't care for either boxer.. But I have to say I dont see Ortiz winning this.. I mean Id like to see him win but Wilder should beat him no problem. Just being realistic.. The hate for Wilder here is some real stuff.. he aint that bad...

 

Of course he is not bad, he is one of the best athletes in HWD but he still has never fought anyone as good as Ortiz in my opinion and it will be a tough task for him. He needs to proove that he can take some big shots from big punching guys like Ortiz. He would not be the first one who will go down vs the first big guy who lands a big shot after fighting only "soft" guys and opponents. I mean look at his record. One Top10 opponent is really average style although he IS a really good fighter and one of the best right now in his division. Still his record is not that impressive tbh.

I still have some doubts over the southpaw matchup. Wilder looked not that confident and superior vs Szpilka like was in other fights recently. We will see. I definitely give him a small edge here but Ortiz is so underrated. I mean the whole talk about slow, old ...my god, such a nonsens. Ortiz is fast, can move, has BIG punch. He looks in good shape at the last vids i think and he will be in good shape in three weeks, i guarantee you that.

 

Is his chin dodgy?

 

I don't know if its dodgy but i think he has to proove that he can take those big shots from guys like Ortiz.

How many opponents Wilder fought who landed some heavy shots on him? I know it is a plus factor if he avoid those big shots but most of his opponents weren't heavy hitters compared to Ortiz. I mean look at his knockouts. Unreal stuff. Those body shots are hurting even if you only have to watch them.

I think Szpilka did land some good shots. As i wrote. I think the southpaw matchup is underrated here. I think this will be a tough one. 55/45 maybe 60/40 Wilder.

 

Oh I thought you meant that Ortiz chin was dodgy, I must have misread. We know that Wilder gets Bambi legged if hit with a good shot. Most of his fans seem to forget that Stiverne tagged him in their first fight, a couple times.

 

Tony Thompson and Malik Scott aren't scrubs, and he made it look EASY. David Allen gave Dillian Whyte work and Whyte needed a decision to beat Allen, Ortiz looked like he was treating it like a light sparring session - he actually looked like he decided to not hurt Allen more than he needed to but when Allen decided to try and get too cheeky Ortiz finished him off - if Whyte is half of what people make him out to be, then Ortiz should absolutely be treated as a threat to ALL of the current title holders.

Anything we say will be irrelevant soon anyway, this fight is looming.

 

Tony Thompson was more than shopworn when Ortiz fought him. Chump material. Malik Scott is a joke.

 

While I agree Tony Thompson is definitely past his best, he isn't THAT bad. Malik Scott put on a woeful display in terms of his complete lack of balls shown in that fight - but wow @ calling him a joke. That is a very very weak argument to back up your cause.

Lets just say Wilder has to go life and death in this fight, let alone gets his block knocked off - what do the likes of yourself say then? Will Ortiz get some credit?

 

While you're right that Ortiz stepped back to create space for his shots it was still a stupid tactic from Jennings. It's not like Jennings could stay inside for 3 mins for every round, he'd always have to walk into Ortiz's counters to get inside where he could smother Ortiz.

Ortiz is a counter puncher, you don't walk right at a counter puncher like that. You make him come to you or make him lead to take away his counters, especially when that counter puncher is flat footed and you have better movement like Jennings.