Is Groves been massivly underrated??

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  1. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The odds are being moved by a load of muppet casuals betting on the Eubank name.
     
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    I agree with a lot of what you say but IMO Jr did beat Saunders and at any rate that was a Jr who was nowhere near as seasoned as he is now. Jr has been pro over 6 years now and that fight happened over 3 years ago

    I never hear people talk about Lee Selby's loss to that bin man

    Every fighter he has beaten since would be the best fighter he fought pre Saunders.
     
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    I don't know, I personally think that eubank trying to outwork GG won't be enough. Eubank won't listen to his corner and in a fight like this he will need to listen and adjust. GG loves his trash talk but I've noticed how well he has done not to bite to the goading of the eubank, it says everything that the eubank are desperate for a bite, they know they need to get under groves skin to win...
     
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    Thanks for the clip!
    Groves all the way in this one.
     
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  5. nurological

    nurological Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seriously? I have literally never heard or seen anybody who has scored that to Eubank other than that 1 judge.
     
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    I'd say 25% have Jr winning which is pretty good considering 90% wanted Saunders to win.
     
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    Yeah I thought BJS was a very close fight, A lot of people involved in boxing said BJS barely trained, was totally unconditioned and was totally arrogant.

    And in my opinion it was clear Saunders complacency was off the scale and he nearly paid the price.

    But I agree, Jr is not the same fighter now and to be fair neither is BJS.

    I don't believe an early loss is a bad thing to be honest, some great fighters lost early in their careers, it sometimes actually makes a fighter so I'm not having a pop at Jr, I'm just saying he has tasted defeat and can again.

    But to hear some talk on here it's like Jr is the second coming of Sugar Ray Robinson.


    I have to add I was bit of fan of Sr, went to a few of his fights, when I talk about Jr I'm not just sitting here hating on him because of Sr or whatever, it's just my opinions.
     
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  8. Suspect.chin

    Suspect.chin Active Member Full Member

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    I think groves is slightly underrated and Jr is massively overrated.
     
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    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Weird thing is for Groves highest profile fights, there is a big contrast in public hype. For Froch fights he was over hyped as hasn't beat anyone who was one of best in division (DeGale wasnt when they fought) and now for this fight he's under hyped and it's his opponent who is over hyped having never beaten the top guys in either division he's competed in.
     
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  10. nurological

    nurological Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thing is what has JNR actually improved since then that would change the result should they meet again? I would argue nothing. All his glaring flaws from that fight are still there and that is showing up against fighters who are slow and just stand in front of you.

    An early loss isnt a bad thing and can have huge positives but jnr virtually trains himself. He doesn't have a person who has studied that fight and addressed the flaws.
     
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    And what a shock it was how he dealt with Froch, initially.
    And most people I believe to remember thought Groves would lose against Degale. And how he proved them wrong. I absolutely loved it.

    Groves is underrated and partially eclipsed by the public's need for another hero. Groves' personality and boxing style don't fit the picture as well as junior's.
     
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  12. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not with this fight but in general i think Groves isnt underrated and that's because often he could do better than he does. In that I mean he often doesn't fight to his strengths. With good footwork world class jab, punch power and good punch variety everything he does should be worked from jab and by using movement and angles. I think he will do exactly that in this fight.
     
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  13. Diggedag

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    Yeah, me too. He'll dispatch of junior. And I have nothing against Junior at all, actually like his style in and out of the ring.
     
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    A little but as others have said, i think his best days are (already) behind him.
     
  15. Diggedag

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    Yeah, me too. He'll dispatch of junior. And I have nothing against Junior at all, actually like his style in and out of the ring.