Would Rigo always get outclassed at the ATG level?

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  1. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The fight was what it was because of Loma, pure and simple.
    Rigo is a highly skilled, fighter that primarily used speed and reflexes.
    He is now older and getting slower, and went up against someone equally speedy, skilled
    and larger, and younger and in their prime. He was made to look amateurish by perhaps the top talent
    currently on Earth. He's older, smaller, and less skilled than Loma. Let's
    be honest, who anywhere near Loma's weight wouldn't be made to look
    just as foolish?
     
  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mikey Garcia at 135 stands the best chance which is why everybody wants them to fight. Rigo looked like an idiot against Loma.
     
  3. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rigo too old and too small
     
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    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Loma is a great fighter who beat an older smaller great fighter
    At 126 with a younger version of Rigo the fight would have been much better
     
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  5. 941Jeremy

    941Jeremy Active Member Full Member

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    How about we just wait until Lomachenko is 37 years old or any high level fighter for that matter. Let's wait until he is 37 and request that he jumps 2 weight classes to fight the best boxer in that division. One thing that I can confidently bet my life on is that no 37 year old boxer will ever be capable of jumping two weight classes to successfully defeat a top p4p talent. Won't happen. As far as being outclassed no he wouldn't be but are talking a prime active 122lb Rigondeaux or 37 year old 130lb version?
     
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  6. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe. But how much was that due to poor positioning. Although I guess you could say that positioning and footwork is both a defensive and offensive thing. At the end of the day he was outclassed.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    This is like asking if Pacquaio would always lose at the "elite level" because he was thoroughly outclassed by Floyd.

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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes he was 37, but being 37 didn't make him constantly off balance. Did it make him slower and is it bad for his stamina? Yes age will slow you down. But first he didn't throw enough punches to drain his own stamina and two he didn't have the skill to apply what speed he had left.

    It's not because he lost. It's how he lost. Most people expected Loma to win, but again that isn't the point. The point is how Rigo lost that makes it so bad on his part.
     
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    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well he's already beaten MAB, Marquez and Morales rendering that an inaccurate comparison. Since Rigo's only other fight in that same "class" is a Flyweight named Donaire. Who isn't really in that "class" to being with.
     
  10. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, but Pac looked like an incapable mediocrity against the only truly elite he ever faced. And Pac wasn't moving up two full weight classes when Floyd outclassed him.

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  11. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You’re exaggerating. Rigo is not as bad as you are saying. But definitely overhyped, especially considering the comp he had.

    And Loma is better than you are saying. He clowned Rigo without relying on size or weight. That was inconceivable to all but a few observers (myself being one of the few of course)
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    MAB, Marquez and Morales are ATG fighters. There is no higher level than that. You can't just say Floyd was the only elite fighter he fought because again there is no level beyond ATG.
     
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    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I rate Loma as p4p #1 and I'm not a Loma fan. I enjoy watching him, but he's hardly one of "my guys".
     
  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You could very well be right, but Rigo's resume is so poor for a guy of his reputation and stature that we will never know.. He never fought p4p level guys or even guys on the fringes of p4p and when he did they were either a Flyweight or he got tooled.