Unrealized the story of Ike Ibeabuchi

No way on earth. I strongly disagree.

Ike already said he wished he had of been setting himself with more power in his performance. He says he did not sit down on his punching. It is evident watching it too.

It’s hard landing big punches on better fighters. Tua and Ike were possibly not at that stage yet. That’s why they fought such an entertaining fight where each concentrated on work rate rather than power.

If you put a proven ATG ready for that level in there with either of them from that performance, he’s not getting knocked out either.

In fact it would be Ike and Tua at the disadvantage. They were not yet ready for that kind of fight. We saw Tua against Lewis. He could not get off.

 

Fair call all round.

 

Byrd didnt know what was going on, he said it himself during an interview recently, he was complaining because he thought he heard the bell that signified the end of the round, but in reality tge bells he heard were from ikes punches (his words not mune). He didnt complain either.


Ike was very very promising. The chin, workrate, atleast 7/10 power, itself was already highly impressive. But his technique, boxing IQ and temperament seemed very good also.

I loved his style, his stamce and how he threw his punches. Very similar to Holyfield with a pinch of Tyson. His physique was probably the most impressive ive ever seen.

 

Yes there was a lot to like about Ike. His stance was good. He was a very well taught fighter. Clearly extremely dedicated.

I agree his temperament seemed superb in the ring. It was not outside of it.

He came out of nowhere to beat Tua. I was suspicious that there were no rave reviews about him before that time. Ike looked like just another prospect with a padded record until that point.

I am also suspicious that his problems were the psychotic effects of PED steroid abuse.

 

Is psychosis normally an accompanying symptom of steroid abuse ?I genuinely don't know.

 

His mother was also insane, even more so than the son supposedly.

Psychotic effects of PED abuse? No such thing, other than possibly with trenbolone, which boxers dont take because it destroys your cardio, amd even then it would only heighten your agression not make you hallucinate.

I know dozens of guys who take hefty amounts of PEDs and not one of them claims to see and hear evil spirits.

No its not. Thats rubbish. Ike was insane and most likely on PEDs just like everyone else but those 2 things are unrelated. His psychological issues are much more likely to be heredetary or induced by brain injuries

 

Can anyone take that garbage serious??
Tua and Ike wished they had more power in their fight? Did just ****ing see what both of these guys took in that fight? I don´t care what Ike wished to do, he had to deal with that 225lb stocky sledgehammer. That left hook in end of the 11th wouldn´t left Frazier standing. Tua buckled slightly and went to his corner like nothing happened. Tua caught Ike with alot of good shots, the right hand also.
But "Face-first-take2-hit1"-Frazier is going to make vs those because.......ah yeah, hes an ATG! LMFAO i love this kind of arguments. Wearing mask of superheros makes you overcome your absolute worst matchup against a bulletproof powertank. Rocky Marciano would make it too right, because hes magic 49-0 (and 4-0 vs heavys)? What about Michael Spinks, isn´t he an ATG as well? Or 185lb Thomas Hearns?
What a laughable junk. Someone should quote your stuff from Primo Carnera being better than Bowe, over Marciano beating George Foremen to this one here. The list is much longer.

Tua did go 12 with Lewis, catching him with some good lefts, not reaching full leverage most of the time. How many rounds would Frazier go with that Lewis? 5?

There´s a hint for you: Take off that Hero-Sunglasses and understand that boxers are humans with abilities. Nothing more. Their chance to win is a varying interval of abilities, sometimes its the "ATG", sometimes the contender, making the "ATG" look like an clown. Its merging.

 

Okay thanks C.

 

• Psychiatric effects of steroids include excitation and depression. Aggression is common. Manic episodes of aggressive behavior are known as "roid rage," and violence may be the outcome. Depression and suicide may also occur.

 

This is plausible too.

 

All of which also occur in millions of people who haven't touched a steroid in their life.



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Get my point?

99% of these supposed roid rage cases were already nutjobs beforehand and just ended up being bigger stronger and more confident nutjobs, or there was a significant element of brain trauma also involved.

Ike HALLUCINATED about Spirits that haunted him and had multiple personalities, that's alot worse than some hormone influenced mood changes.

 

so you don’t care that Ike admits that he was not sitting down on his punches against Tua? That he recognises if he threw less blows he would have given himself time to sit down.

How do you know that left hook in the end of the 11th wouldn’t have left Frazier standing? What are you talking about? You need some more plausible demonstrations than just saying it. The left hook Tua hurt Bryd with, now that was a great punch. But landing those kinds of punches against the best fighters is no guarantee. Especially if you are using the performance from one fight where the boxer even admits he was not sitting down on his punches. You have to have a proven record of being able to land those kinds of blows at the higher level.

Laugh all you want. In his prime Frazier hit guys more times than they hit him. Whenever he got hit, the other guy was getting hit more. Frazier would lead and double up with power shots.

okay Powertank. Who is this bulletproof powertank? What does that even mean?

do you read still read comics?

ok PowerTank.

a contender making an ATG look like a clown? Based on what? Size? Primo Carnera had size on everyone yet it was the ATG that made him look like a clown. And Primo was still a great SHW.

 

Yes it is plausible Ike was crazy. And that PEDs made him crazier. But if he always was crazy all along, in the way it is rumoured, that it was necessary to keep him under wraps, why didn’t any of this come about before hand? Say, when he was boxing in national tournaments? Boxing is a very disciplined sport. If he was mad enough -all along-, mad enough to drive cars into concrete pillars, **** prostitutes, barricade himself into a room etc etc, always crazy to do these things why didn’t we hear about it before? How did he achieve as much as he did with the disruption to his life that would cause?

Did he smoke a lot of pot? We don’t know.

 

It could have been one random punch to the head out of the thousands he took that triggered it. Scizophrenia usually onsets in early adult life, could have just come on by itself.
But PEDs? They're just hormones like testosterone that your body naturally produces (and close derivatives of it). Who knows. But his potential was very obvious

 

You have just proven YOUSELF that both of them, Tua and Ibeabuchi were absolutely "able to land those kinds of blows at the higher level", against an extremely evasive target in Byrd, one stopping him. In fact, a much more evasive target than Frazier, who weaved just face-first right into his opponent.

Was Foremen an ATG when he met Frazier? Was Ali ATG when he made Liston look like an amateur? What about Liston when he met "proven" Patterson? He certainly made him look like a yoyo. What happened to "proven" ATG Foremen, when he met Lyle and Young? There are much more cases where a contender, depending on style, looked very dominant vs. ATGs.

You can argue about Frazier, as an underdog, winning a decision vs Tua or Ibeabuchi. But depending on style, this is a horrible matchup for him. You must ether be plain stupid or blinded by your Hero-Sunglasses to make Frazier an favourite vs both these guys.

Styles give a **** if your name is Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson or Rocky Marciono. All of them are in a bad matchup against high-volume, iron-chinned guys with power. All of them are in fantastic favour to beat quick guys, with limited power. Vice versa, quick jabbing movers, when affording the chin, are in a good position to beat both Tua and Ibeabuchi.