I don't get why people think a 70's Foreman beats a prime Tyson

Personally, i can´t see any of the two knock the other out that quick. Its not as likely as one might think.
Foremen had some serious whiskers and took alot vs Lyle. Tyson just stood there and taking bombs from Ruddock, just to come back after like 10 seconds or so brawling it out. The amount of punishment Tyson took in the Douglas and Lewis fight was extraordinary.
Nevertheless, both of the them could be hurt by a pin point power punch.

When it comes to who is more hitable, its definitely Foremen.

 

Some of this is a mental thing with Tyson.in Forman mike saw a guy who was just as mean as him a destroyer a bigger man probably the hardest hitting HW ever Tyson used fear as a weapon that wouldn't work with foreman I can imagine the referees instructions with foreman from 73 and that stare that terrifying stare burning into Tyson.

 

Tyson came straight at every man he ever fought,he'll run into a sledge hammer jab and be clubbed to death. Foreman will shove him back constantly to put him in range and grab him if not. Geez!! Tyson couldn't out muscle a faded Evander Holyfield and got straightened up and knocked out. Foreman in 3.

 

Two power punching heavyweights, known for aiming at an early kill? I’d say a quick finish was a more likely outcome than the fight going the distance.

Tyson can take a bit but doesn’t wear it all too well. Foreman is a genuine Hardman - A bit of a Fire-eater - The real deal.

Ruddock isn’t anywhere near Foreman’s league, in any department. Tyson could never fight Foreman the way he did Ruddock and expect to stay standing.

I can’t envisage Foreman spooning out the slow drubbings that Douglas and Lewis dished out on Tyson. Foreman would be looking to do serious damage quickly and be home in time for tea.

Anyone can be hurt by a power punch that lands on the button.

Really? You’ve just lauded over Tyson’s ability to take punishment but Foreman is definitely easier to hit?

Ok then.

 

Slow Drubblings by Lewis? Did you watch the fight? Tyson took a TON of punishment. I think he took more than Lyle and George before going down and stay there.
If someone would rate Foremens chin just from the Lyle fight, its hard to make an argument for him having a better chin than Tyson. You can compare the Ruddock bombs also vs the Foremen - Lyle meeting. And yes, Ruddock is easy on Lyle´s level as a puncher.

You know yourself that this is nonsense. Tyson didn´t follow any gameplan vs. Ruddock, just brawling it out in the heat. Douglas threw a terrific jab against a drowned Tyson, he has nothing in common with the style Foremen would fight. You can just watch the Gullick fight also, Foremen is easy hitable there. His reflexes avoiding what comes at him are also not that good, he rather used the so called "cross" arm defense. Most of the time, his hands are just not up for that kind of defense. I have said this before, Foremen style was suited to walk through his opponent, turning offensive into defense. Against Lyle, he was more cautious. It didn´t make him less hitable.

You can turn and turn as you want, Tyson under Rooney was extremely difficult to hit clean, proofs are everywhere out there. I give Foremen a little edge in the chin department and Tyson a huge edge in avoiding punches.

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Therefore Foremen should rely on Bodypunches, mostly the uppercut when Tyson rushes in. Of course, i don´t see it going the distance as well. But i think both of them would take a beating before going down. And your are right, if couldn´t go past 4 rounds as well.

 

Tyson is brilliant defensively when he is moving forward and controlling the tempo. Brilliant. The holes certainly start to appear when he isn't. Tyson's defense against the likes of Berbick and co. at his peak won't be what is on display here.

 

One guy never got off the floor to win, the other did.

One guy never backed off and was never intimidated. The other frequently took breaks or went into a shell taking a beating even in their prime.

One guy was a monster in a slug fest and on the inside. The other could easily be tied up or manipulated on the inside.

One guy was stopped 5x, the other was stopped once after punching himself out in sweltering heat against an elusive, defensive target.

Oh, and one guy is taller, stronger, longer reach than the other.

Tyson has hand speed and defense but thats about it. Neither are particularly great in terms of cardio. Neither can fight backing up.

Obviously a prime tyson has a decent shot against anyone, but this is one of his worst matchups. Unless he manages to bomb foreman out early (and avoid being on the receiving end of bombs) hes not winning, period.

Foreman plants himself in ring center and, knowing tyson has to come to him and cant fight backing up, establishes his jab, bashing it out and being more than willing to trade to score with his longer reach. Hed smother tysons wild hooks with open gloves, shove him back when he tries to get close, uppercuts if he insists on charging forward. Body shots would be far too risky and would leave tysons head open for foremans pile driver hooks.

The first 2 rounds tyson could defintely beat foreman to the punch, tagging him with blinding speed and ferocity, but never hits him with his full body weight as he wouldnt be able to press the issue without trading or getting tagged back. The very instant Tyson plants his feet and uses power punches, he would get dragged into a brawl, and that is the last thing hed want to do.

If tyson could maintain a pseudo slickster, hit and run strategy at mid range and conserve his stamina, he could pull of a decision win or late round stoppage if he lands enough clean shots...big if. With a height and reach disadvantage and foreman being constantly aggressive, i dont see how tyson could completely avoid a slug fest for all 12 rounds.

 

The unbeatable Foreman......

Foreman fought nothing but bums until he met Frazier and Frazier's claim to fame is winning ONCE against a rusty Ali.....no Ali exile no Frazier World Champ. Fact. So, common folklore is because Frazier beat the Greatest and Foreman beat the guy who beat the Greatest they are both the Greatest......nice pipe dream.

Take Ali out of Foremans/Fraziers resume and Tyson has the far deeper resume against much much more dangerous and especially BIG opponents with skill.

Young Foreman had zero defense and was all offense.....Ali buckled him repeatably with lead rights..a insult to any pro fighter to get hit by lead rights coming from a mile away and Ali could not have missed if he tried.....Ali was simply to fast and it is always the punch you dont see coming that hurts you the most and the same would happen if Foreman is in the trenches with Tyson. He tagged him AT WILL while George was windmilling away. It would have been total suicide if Ali would have employed the same tactics against Tyson.

Foreman then blew out glass chin Frazier again, went life and death with B- level Lyle , lost comprehensively against Young, disappeared and found God.

In his come back he fought nothing but bums again, once he stepped up he was beaten from pillar to post by Holyfield and lucky punched against another glass chinned fragile minded Light Heavy........his so called unreal power could not put away Tommy Chin.....and he needed gift decisions or struggled hard with absolute cannon fodder in Stewart, Saverese and the Kraut.........the two former were waxed by a washed up Tyson in less then ONE ROUND combined....

Every trainer who hates or loves Tyson will agree that you CANNOT go toe to toe with Tyson, he hits too hard, is too hard to hit clean, has tremendous speed and throws text book punches with out standing footwork/speed.....and that is exactly how Foreman would fight and gets beat to the punch EVERY single time he unloads, the difference in speed is immense......Ali called him the "Mummy" and that was not a speed compliment.

Douglas, Holyfield and Lemmie did not go toe to toe, they jabbed at range, kept him off balance, clinched and frustrated him NOT going mano de mano.....even Manny Stewart was afraid Lemmie gets hit with something big when the faced the totally shot to pieces Tyson impersonator while screaming at Lewis.

Anyway , genuine 70/30 fight and I lean towards Tyson stopping Foreman.......IMO, Tyson would be the most dangerous opponent Foreman would have ever faced, Tyson not so much, he has seen it all, Bruno, Ruddock, Bone crusher were all formidable in the power department, especially Razor, the way he laid out a slighlty diminished Dokes who never ever was chinny was scary.......and Foreman would not go near those guys in his comeback......all smoke and mirrors fighting, lol, Crawford Grimsley rings a bell ? Another Foreman "killer" strength display over the distance while journeyman Thunder from down under ended it in 10 sec........Foreman was the "big" guy in the seventies, in the eighties and nineties he was just another big guy in a armada of big guys.....and Tyson ko'ed those "big" guys left and right

 

Not a fact. Had Ali stayed active he would have had another 4 years of wear and tear defending his title and he was approaching 30. Probably would have slowed a pinch anyway. That`s if he didnt lose to someone else before that. Unless Frazier challenged him much earlier like 68. As it was Frazier did a little more than just beat Ali once. He cleaned out the heavyweight division in the late 1960s and early `70s.

 

I stopped reading at this extremely early point.

 

I have read this post 3 times and even now Im not sure if youre stupid or just a troll. You make Tyson fans look bad with this insanely weird fantasy post.

 

I will say George was a better boxer than many think. he had a lot of technique

It is interesting to note the effect his blows had on Frazier. Ref Marcante said Frazier was still in good shape after the first KD but if you look closely, Frazier's right leg buckled just before he dropped, and once he dropped onto his side, you notice his left leg rubberizing in the air

My pick is George b/c he has more guns