Would Rigo always get outclassed at the ATG level?

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  1. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fact: Donaire has fought more times over 122 than Rigo.
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Never disputed this fact. Despite this fact Donaire is still a natural 112 pounder.
     
  3. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, he has fought his entire career at flyweight. Oooops no, just 7 times under 112. Pacquiao has fought 17 times at 112, so he is smaller than Rigo, too.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tommy Hearns has had more fights at Cruiserweight than Sergey Kovalev. By your logic Hearns is the naturally bigger man.

    Come on mate, you need to try a little harder here.
     
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    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nah, it is not my point, it is yours. Hearns was not bigger than Kovalev, and Rigondeaux is not bigger than Nonito.
    You are saying that Nonito is a natural 112lbs and Rigondeaux had the size advantage when they fought, and I'm just saying you are wrong. I'm pretty sure you did not watch the fight.
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes Rigo is clearly the naturally bigger man than Donaire. That's why Donaire was making 112 pounds and winning world titles well into his 20s.

    You literally said because Donaire had more fights at 122 than Rigo did that makes Donaire the bigger man. Thus, by your logic Hearns is bigger than Kovalev.

    Like I said man, try a little harder besides "watch the fight" and "he had more fights at 122 pounds". Is that the best you can possibly come up with? No offense or vitriol intended in my post here, but come on mate, is that the best you can do?
     
  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's probably Rigo's fault because he kept pricing himself out.
     
  8. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And I will take here the time machine.... we'll go back to 2013, three days before the fight:

    https://www.ringtv.com/178199-donaire-rigondeaux-chess-match-or-fireworks-experts-weigh-in/

    "Experts" predict: "By a total vote of 18-3, the experts predict that RING junior featherweight champion Nonito Donaire will emerge victorious over Guillermo Rigondeaux. "

    Are there any reference to height, size, weight, reach advantages?

    Come on mate, you need to try a little harder here.
     
  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Risk reward I suppose. If it would have been Santa Cruz's best purse at the time he could find bigger paydays for less risk at 126 pounds which is the weight class where fighter's start getting a little more financial relevance.

    That said, it's unwise to trust anything coming from Rigo's camp. As he's shown himself to be a boring, egotistical, hypocritical, mentally weak, cry baby. Guillermo flapped his mouth that he would never quit in a fight and did so with all his faculties still in order. I digress, a more relevant to the current topic you and I are discussing is Rigo's difficulty in getting fights.

    Rigo said Loma was running from him, scared of him, wanted no parts of him and that he was afraid of stepping into the ring with him because Rigo would expose Loma's lack of skill. Which turned out to be a complete fabricated lie. Why would Loma be afraid of Rigo? Loma held all 4 of the major advantages in boxing. He was bigger, prime, more athletic and more skilled. So he dominated the fight in a fashion that you almost never see in top level boxing against an opponent of Rigo's reputation. And he's disappeared from the face of the Earth.

    Why would Rigo's word be worth anything now? All the stories of the past coming from Rigo's camp why should we believe any of it after what transpired against Lomachenko?
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Now we are getting somewhere. You're previous argument collapsed. Interesting to see that there was no reference to size in that fight. I've always been of the belief that there is a reason why one fighter won titles three weight classes below another fight did. And that's because they could make the weight because he was the smaller man.
     
  11. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We were talking about Rigondeaux being a hypejob or not. But you are just showing your hate for Rigondeaux. Looks like he stole your girlfriend.

    Stop being a troll.
     
  12. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You did not watch the fight. You did not read the article.

    There's a reference to height and reach:
    "Donaire has more ways to win because of his obvious power and his height and reach advantages."

    Stop trolling please.
     
  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I was having a discussion with another poster. If you want to join in on the discussion with us go ahead.
     
  14. tinman

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    Explain to me why Donaire was able to win titles 3 weight classes below what Rigo did? Could it have been because he's a smaller man and able to make lower weight classes?
     
  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    From what I saw in the fight it looked to me that Loma was bigger, more athletic, prime and more skilled.