Haye trainer explains Wilder's power is deceptive and explosive

wilder is more explosive than joshua

no doubt about it and it is obvious to the eye

the reason is willder has slightly faster hands than joshua / loads up full force on it and throws it from further back.

on the minus side as we IMO see v ortiz is that he telegraphs all his long punchs and a good fightwr will block or read and slip them.

i can see a gameplan where wilder could jump on ortiz IMO straight away and bombs away before ortiz has time to get used to to reading wilder and geting used to his speed.

once this happens i think wilder will struggle to land clean on ortiz.

but if he does he brings the most power in the division because he loads up and commits so much to the punch.

one time though in the washington fight you saw a different side to wilder
got on the inside somewhere he is not that effective and cleverly used his left hand to pull down the washing guard and clip washington with a nice short right that dropped him.

that was clever and even the short punch decked washington

 

Was watching some of cuevas fights on you tube this week good fighter dangerous bloke and it struck me his stile is similar to wilder working on the outside mainly all punches at full power took care of plenty of fighters back in the day nothing fancy but effective .Wilder has nautral power that offsets a lot of issues with fighters normally.

 

Wilder's "power" is unproven against a top 10 HW. He therefore doesnt have elite level power. Until he drops or sparks out two top 10 HWs, his "power" is unproven.

In the same way that Parker & Whyte stopped knocking people out when they moved up in class, its very conceivable that the same thing happens with Wilder.

And at HW, right at the top, some men simply cannot be knocked out.

So those who rely on power alone at HW or any other division, always come unstuck if they keep stepping up for that very reason. Its TBC as Wilder is yet to step up.

 

Wilder doesnt have proven elite level power, as he has never dropped or stopped a top 10 HW.

AJ does have proven elite level power, having dropped and stopped Wladimir Klitschko. Breazeale has also subsequently become a top 10 HW arguably following being stopped by AJ.

So AJ is proven elite level power. Wilder is not.

 

Certainly wasn't too explosive for Haye who had Wilder doing a drunken jig in sparring.

 

Nothing deceptive about Wilders explosive power its right there to be seen. And i dont buy into the tales of he has no power unless he is really winding it up and windmilling. No windmilling when Szpilka got put to sleep. He hits hard enough to KO any Boxer out there and if you look past all the sloppy work he does there are skills to complement the power.

But with Ortiz next and hopefully Joshua just around the corner Wilder is now in with another step up in level of opposition. He is now going in with people who work damn hard on their defence, and are in there setting their own traps and have the skill to make them work and although they may not his as hard as Wilder they hit hard enough to knock him out too.

 

Wilders power is as much as a myth as Sam Peter's was. People claimed he had devasting, Mike Tyson-like power. Against C level opposition, it seemed real. Once he stepped up and fought top level opposition, the highlight reel KO's came to an end.

Similarly enough both Wilder and Peter have terrible punching technique and swing for the fences.

 

I'd argue that Peter had brutish power that was extremely devastating when he could land it. Landing is one of the biggest parts of the equation though. Peter would have KO'd Washington, Glass jawed Szpilka, shot Arreola, Duhaupas and Molina all out cold. But to your point he was definitely a bit overrated for a brief period, but deserves more respect because unlike Wilder faced the best around him after having the title handed to him.

 

Tell me all about the elite fighters that Wilder has dropped or knocked out.

It should not be hard for you. He has been WBC strap holder for 3 years now.

 

You can say that about any fighter that steps up. Mike Tyson himself even in his prime against top level competition wasn't knocking people out.

Prime Tyson couldn't KO Tillis

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Prime Tyson couldn't KO Green

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Prime Tyson Couldn't KO Smith

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Prime Tyson couldn't KO Tucker.

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Also, Peter's power was legit. He had a prime Wlad on the back foot all fight. Too bad Peter wasted his talent by showing up fat the rest of his career.

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I think Wilder hits the hardest out of all the heavies out there at the mo.The reason is the punch travels so far and travels at a good speed.He's improved over his early pro career,although he is open when he throws.The problem he might have is a top heavy might see him winding them up.But having said that, he does punch fast,so some might get through.
He has a better chance of beating Ortiz than AJ imo,because of his engine.
Ortiz needs to get on his chest .