Wilder's toughest fight of his career. A fat 38 year old Cuban who's never fought for a world title.

Man, be fair, Thompson is a solid win although he is old. He fought names like Wlad twice, Price, Pulev, Solis twice, Takam and Scott and he did not look that bad in most of them. This is a solid W in HW considering he was completly destroying Thompson with several knock downs and winning all five rounds clearly.

and ofc Jennings is a strong win. stop writing BS about this. if Jennings is not a strong W then Wilder did not have ONE single win above average.

 

So what’s a better win? A 38 year old being dragged up 2 weight classes or a 38 year old whose actually acclimated to a weight division?

The double standards on this board are ludicrous to say the least. Just want to point it out. Boxing is a joke all across the board. Wilder was a football player before anything else. It’s not like he was an Olympian turning pro at 30 years old lmao

What’s also funny is I think Wilder is the most talked about guy on this board. Boxing champions in general imo are watered down hyoejobs in this era. L Triples resume is weak, Loma is getting over credited for really nothing and he has an L to a gatekeeper.

You guys need to be more consistent. Context needs to be specified and the hypocrisy needs to stop. Hold every fighter to the same standard, or STFO. All I’ve ever asked.

 

its only different because you dont want to be wrong, shhush and move on. Like you've moved on from thinking I meant jennings.

wlad did, he was barely able to throw a few punches a round.
38 is what is it is - a killion studies show that lung power drops off increasingly after 30. go argue with them, not with me, cos they are on MY side.

we'll seee about chubby boy soon.

 

what is wrong with people - 38 year olds used to be the gatekeepers at best. now you've been suckered in thinking that they are "good" title contenders...

 

Mate, 'starting boxing' and 'turning pro' are absolutely different. That isn't remotely contentious.

I'm not arguing that conditioning drops off, I'm arguing it's still possible to be in fighting shape and to fight for 12 rounds capably at 38. At 41 never mind 38 Wlad was able to compete with Joshua perfectly fine up until the 11th, so to suggest the plan would be wait for the old man to gas after 5 is conjecture. What about Hopkins too?

Ortiz may well go on to prove you to be right. He might well blow out of his arse after the 2nd in which case I'll hold my hands up and say I was wrong. But there's nothing to really suggest he will gas so easily. And other than his age you've not pointed out any other flaws about him either

 

yeh he started his career at nearly 30.

wlad is not ortiz, genius.

u really bringing up hopkins to back up ORTIZ? REALLY?
u sound like a guy bringing up rocky marciano in a crap eddy murpy movie.

 

Absolutely, but you said "started boxing", not began his career.

I certainly don't think he's as good as Wlad was, but he hasn't had the chance to prove it. He put in a much better showing against Jennings, for what that might be worth.

Nah, I sound like a guy bringing up fighters to try and prove my point. And my point is that some fighters at 38 have proven to be able to still fight competitively over the distance, which all of my examples have.

 

apparenty he started at 27.
time for you to give up, bye now.

if you havent proved yourself at 38, the u r in the wrong job. I'd proved myself in three careers by then, none of them sporting, and I'm just a regualr joe.

not much, if you mean janitor jennings.

ortiz isnt hopkins, get real.

 

Cool, where'd it say that?

Well done on your stellar career. Ortiz hasn't really had a chance to prove himself on a world stage, not that that in anyway detracts from the fact 38 year old fighters have proven to be able to fight over the distance perfectly fine.

 

Wlad never took any risks vs Jennings, you could argue he did the same with Fury, but we saw what he was about vs Joshua even at 41. Ortiz will not leave anything in the ring like Wlad did vs Fury. The dude is going to war.

 

boxrec, just need to websearch it.

ty but its fcuked at the moment! life is about contraction and expansion so not to worry.

hes never dont anything, despite being gifted a fake title shot.
Hes 38 now, there are no excuses. Even lnotoriously late starters like stuart hall and joe calzaghe had won a major world title before 35.

I'm no longer repeating the same arguments.

 

Fair enough, I didn't think of looking there. You was right.

I'm leaving my office but 1) I think he's as deserving a shot as most are 2) 38 year olds can fight the distance!

 

some realistic posts in this thread from posters who are not even enthusistic fans of wilder
thats how it should be

ortiz has not gotten big fights before because
1/ he brings no money to the table
2/he is a drug cheat and does not deserve any big money
3 / he is technically very sound and he can bang

why would a promoter pay him to fight there prospect
IMO as i have said before team wilder did not chose ortiz wilder himself did.

and for that people are shitting on wilder
cant win either way.

saw the same with joshua v takam before the fight and after the fight.
takam is **** / joshua will blow him away
takam cant fight easy nights work 3 rounds max etc etc

so few posters take time to actually lay out there ideas and analysis of a fight
i mean look at this thread

wilder fighting a fat 38 year old / the bias is already in .

 

when fighting a 45 year old sure, great counter.

 

Ortiz is a dangerous and respected fighter regardless of his age. None of the so-called elite heavyweights wanted anything to do with him. Now that Wilder has excepted the challenge, he's an old fat bum. Get real.