Questions for Wilder fans

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Feb 16, 2018.


  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Attention Wilder fans

    I have a few questions on Wilder and his previous opponents. I'll start out by saying I think he is a top ten heavyweight as of 2-16-18. He has a good punch, good mobility, and knows how to use his height and reach.

    I also think he's just an all right boxer, a little sloppy and can be countered by a more skilled fighter, and chinny with a skinny type of build which suggests he can't take a body shot. His competition to me has been very poor, yet many of them were even on cars until Wilder landed a bomb, or had moments that typical expose contender on the way up. Wilder is worst heavyweight alphabet champion belt milker I've ever seen, not picking any top ten ring magazine ranked opponents for his title defenses, while exposed by showing limitations vs. top 15-50 type of guys in the victory.


    Here are my questions:


    1) Who is Wilder's best win and how long did that person stay in the rankings after he beat them?


    2) Who in your opinion was Stiverne's best win? The reason I ask is I think that was his best opponent.


    3) Don't you think picking Stiverne ( re-match ) for a title match at age 39, fast and out of the ring for two years was a joke?


    4 ) Why hasn't Wilder fought one top 10 Ring Magazine opponent for a title defense, this excludes
    Stiverne as Wilder's win here was not for a title defense.


    5 ) Who would you pick Wilder to defeat, assume the opponents are in their prime. Joshua, Wlad, Vitali, Lewis, Bowe, Tyson, and Holyfield. Wilder recently bragged he knock Mike Tyson out.


    6 ) Do you think Ortiz, will be just a few weeks shy of 39 years old is in decline?


    Thanks in advance to his fans that answer. I'll keep an open mind and just might learn something.
     
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  2. soldier

    soldier New Member banned Full Member

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    You're trying too hard to come off as objective when your ulterior motive is clear to see. How many times has Wilder's mandatories tested positive for banned Substance.
     
  3. juhave

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    1. Probably Stieverne in their first bout
    2. Arreola
    3. It was but his original opponent failed a doping test. He was a substitute.
    4. Positive doping test of opponent.
    5. None of them.
    6. Difficult to tell. We will find out soon.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    Thanks for the replies.

    On 4, it can’t be all of them and wilder himself is fighting Ortiz who actually did test positive. There were many other top ten opponents to select.
     
  5. HerolGee

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    and whats it like playing willy wonka.

    oh hang on, the unknown boxer guy ok.



    1) Who is Wilder's best win and how long did that person stay in the rankings after he beat them? STIVERNE,not sure

    2) Who in your opinion was Stiverne's best win? The reason I ask is I think that was his best opponent. STIVERNE 1, then ARREOLA


    3) Don't you think picking Stiverne ( re-match ) for a title match at age 39, fast and out of the ring for two years was a joke? YES


    4 ) Why hasn't Wilder fought one top 10 Ring Magazine opponent for a title defense, this excludes Stiverne as Wilder's win here was not for a title defense. HE DOESNT WANT TO


    5 ) Who would you pick Wilder to defeat, assume the opponents are in their prime. Joshua, Wlad, Vitali, Lewis, Bowe, Tyson, and Holyfield. Wilder recently bragged he knock Mike Tyson out.
    none of them, perhaps Wlad maybe if he can catch him.

    6 ) Do you think Ortiz, will be just a few weeks shy of 39 years old is in decline? MASIVE
     
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  6. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    1) Tough question, in all honesty. Probably Stiverne 1
    2) Arreola
    3) Absolutely, but the WBC mandated him. Pov and Ortiz failed tests.
    4) WBC gunna WBC
    5) None of them
    6) Well, he can't physically be peak but that doesn't define how much he may have declined. It doesn't make him less capable. I'm picking Ortiz to win, actually.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    You could say I want the opposing point of view, and for that you'll have to answer the questions.

    I think I was fair, he did enough to rank in the top ten, but his struggles with non-top ten opponents, and election of opponents rightly gives doubt.
     
  8. The Long Count

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    1. Stiverne
    2. Arreola
    3. Yes
    4. Because he isn't very good and his handlers don't want to blow the massive payday against Joshua
    5. None of them- if I gave him a shot against any of them it would be Lewis. Cause of his chin and he seemed to struggle with range against Vitali. But even then it's a 5 percent chance more likely looks like Lewis vs Grant
    6. Ortiz is in big decline I believe he is closer to 50 than 40 and now ped clean.
     
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  9. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    i rate ortiz so for me all question marks i have about wilder i expect to be answered come march 3rd one way or the other

    wilder wins his abilty is justified / lose but competetive / still justified/ gets outclassed and stopped the obviously his career has been smoke and mirorrs

    i see wilder losing to ortiz but being competitive .
     
  10. MVC!

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    Well I hope you actually give him his just due if he wins then. I hope I don't see excuse making or rubbish like "Ortiz is shot" post fight!
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Could you answer the questions?

    Ortiz is past his best. He will be just a few weeks shy on age 39. We don’t know if he’s shot yet. At his age, whatever it might be, boxers age in dog years.
     
  12. sean

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    you must be getting me mixed up with someone else.

    i have said in every wilder v ortiz thread that i think ortiz matches up well h2h v wilder .

    wilder wins then that means he is the real deal for me.

    said that enough times too.
     
  13. MVC!

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    He's still undefeated and showed no signs of wear/tear or slowing down.

    Bernard was still dominant in his last 30's. Who knows how many years Ortiz has left.

    All we know is that he looked very good coming into this fight.
     
  14. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    Errrr there are only 5 wilder fans in this forum.
    And half of them are nut case.
     
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  15. dinovelvet

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    Does Lomachenko get credit for beating Rigo?