I don't get why people think a 70's Foreman beats a prime Tyson

Source? I believe you, just want to see the source. He would have had to of gotten massively stronger in the 8 years after the Tillis for that to be true which I believe is possible I just doubt whether he or not it really happened because in a video from the late 2000s/early 2010s he's using baby weights for bent over rows and I can't see any purpose for going so low (probably half) of his working sets. It's not even just that specific exercise either, it's every exercise.

 

Tucker broke his hand lol how many power punches did he land on tyson?

 

Tyson easily had the talent to be a top 2-5 heavy in history. What drops him out the top 10 in my opnion is his reaction to adversity. Before B.Douglas not one fighter had the ability to truly be a test to Tyson. Sure he had some difficult moments against Bruno and a few others, but none could show who Tyson was mentally. Douglas and esp Holyfield showed who Tyson was, and that was like the typical bully on the street. And that's why I believe a bigger bully like Foreman and also Liston would beat Tyson. They in my opnion beat Tyson BEFORE the fight. They had the ability to create that self doubt he hid so well before Holyfield really exposed him in that 2nd fight. Biting off ears? A true indicater he wanted to quit, to the point of getting disqualified. See, he couldn't shake up Holyfield. Holyfield actually shook him up. Tyson had the ability to be possibly the best Heavy in history. And yes he had better skills than Foreman in my opnion. But mentally, Foreman beats him before the fight, and the minute that difficult moment came in the hypothetical fight between the two, and their definitely would be difficult heart check times against a fighter of Foremans caliber, Tyson would fold. He's proven that, at least to me.

 

Dude you just nullified your own argument.

Youre trying to cherry pick, make up labels and categorize puchers into different classes. The fact tyson was stopped by guys who WERENT elite punchers kills your argument!

I repeat, smith and bruno mostly held and barely attempted to throw any serious punches, it was obvious their game plan was to simply survive. Ruddock was a 1 armed fighter and tyson had to low blow him 20 times to slow him down and survive. Foreman walked through morrison, cooney, stewart, moore, and briggs shots as an old man, you cant ignore this. Your chin does NOT get better with age, especially after a 10 year layoff and pushing middle age.

You clowns want to have it both ways and give tyson credit for taking so many blows from douglas, lewis, etc but then turn around and say those fights dont count since he was past his prime. Either we use ALL evidence from thse fights or we use none.

You cant keep ducking this lol, im not gonna let you change the convo. Tyson ducked nearly every elite fighter and heavy hitter in his era and got exposed, get over it.

 

I would be VERY CAREFUL about that statement, if you keep some fighters in mind! Especially Clay and Tua.


"I repeat, smith and bruno mostly held and barely attempted to throw any serious punches, it was obvious their game plan was to simply survive. Ruddock was a 1 armed fighter and tyson had to low blow him 20 times to slow him down and survive. Foreman walked through morrison, cooney, stewart, moore, and briggs shots as an old man, you cant ignore this. Your chin does NOT get better with age, especially after a 10 year layoff and pushing middle age."

117-110, 117-110, 118-109 Foreman walked through Morrison?
Maybe YOU Stop talking about cherry picking, telling me how to evaluate a fight or claiming who can lift cows that have been lowered on a shoulder! I´m watching the Bonecrusher fight right now, for the third time or so. He started holding more after the middle of the fight, of course they had exchanges before as well! And yes, Smith loaded up punches!

"You clowns want to have it both ways and give tyson credit for taking so many blows from douglas, lewis, etc but then turn around and say those fights dont count since he was past his prime. Either we use ALL evidence from thse fights or we use none."

Ok fine. Lets talk about their primes: What does Tyson-Douglas or Foreman-Ali having anything to do with the outcome of two brawlers??? Besides Foreman falling earlier with like 4 blows and Tyson eating Busters shots for 10 rounds?

Then Lyle beat the sh!t out of Foreman, while Tyson beat Crusher, Bruno and Ruddock twice. Does he still look better vs punchers, YES or NO?

 

But what if Foremans scores that KD 1st? I've seen Foreman get up in win, when did Tyson ever do that? Bigger bully, beats little bully.

 

Never.

Tyson never got off the floor to win, never came back after being behind on points and needing to find a way to win.

Foreman did both.

 

Why would i be careful about that statement? Its a biological fact.

Holyfield went from taking blows from riddick bowe and lennox lewis and then got stopped by james toney, a former middle weight, because he wouldnt retire and got old as hell.

Nobodys chin gets better in their 40's lol, i can confidently stand by that statement.

Morrison threw tons of punches and foreman never retreated, he walked forward and attacked the whole time. Foreman losing the decision doesnt mean he didnt get hit a lot or walked through his punches. Golovkin walked through many of brookes punches as a different example.

Same thing with alex stewart, who knocked out 90% of his opponents, the propf was on foremans face, he had never gotten marked up like that and he NEVER backed off or went into his shell and blocked or took off rounds, stewart couldnt keep him off of him. Are you denying this?

Are you denying cooney hd a devastating hook and foraman took it point blank and proceeded to beat his ass?

What about cooper, holyfield, moore? They didnt land several shots on foreman?

Using the smith fight as evidence tyson could take a punch is like using holmes vs ali to prove holmes was good at beating elusive slick targets.

Youre a biased idiot.

Tyson vs smith was quite possibly the worst title fight of all time. It made fury vs wladmir look like a roman gladiator brawl.

Unlike tyson, foreman was trying to win and gave ali no respect. "4 blows"...? Lol, ali tagged him with dozens of right hands from the very first round, youre acting like ali never managed to land anything until the 8th.

Tyson mostly just stood there getting hit by jabs plodding after a moving douglas until he finally decided to make an effort and dropped him, then when that didnt work he went back into his passive shell and was stopped.

Lyle lost.

Foreman beat way more punchers than tyson, and his opponents actually made an effort and hit him back, do you need me to show you that long list again?

 

Youre missing the point.

Even if a feather fisted guy is fighting complete bums, his ko% is gonna be low. Otherwise paulie malignaggus recrd would be better when he was an up and coming fighter against weaker opposition.

The guys in the 70's werent duckers. Gullick, scaff, etc all those guys foreman fought who had high ko% could obviously bang. They werent all elite punchers but they clearly hit harder to maintain that high average against decent opposition.

Tucker barely threw any power punches. When and how he broke his hand doesnt matter.

 

Yes it is much better than losing you plank......

 

Douglas out slugged Tyson from the opening bell, don't believe me? Just click onto YouTube and see him get dismantled from the start.

 

I´m in Natural Science, this is BULL****. Do you think 77-Ali would fall like a rock like he did vs Henry Coopers left hook? He took TONS of blows vs shavers without going down. Did you see Savon vs Tua? The amount of punishment you can take depends as well on the amount of concussion received + adaptation time, as long, as not beeing chronically damaging or irreparable. Use of muscle --> adaption --> muscle growth. Shin resistance in martial arts, etc etc etc. The human body reacts to stimuli and strengthen against it in most cases. Regarding repetitive blows to the head, possible due to cranial structures, reinforement of tissue in the cranial bone or simply by cranial muscle growth.

You don´t get it do you? I said before, Foreman as well as Tyson could both take a punch, and i give Foreman a little edge. BUT HOW DID BOTH FARE VS. ELITE PUNCHERS (mostly relying on power instead of boxing)? As YOUSELF ADMITTED Foremans face looked like a balloon vs Stewart. Tyson did just bomb him out. BUT THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION HERE.

The question is: Which COMPARABLE Power Punchers did both actually fight and how did they fare against them!?

And no, Crack Cooney was no Power Puncher. Nor was Stewart for Tyson or Foreman, Holyfield is also not in that categry, nor is Moorer. If you want to add Stewart, okay, go for it. So how did Foreman fare vs Stewart, Lyle and Morrison. If you ask me, he beat two, lost one AND GOT BEAT UP THREE TIMES.

HOW DID TYSON DO IN FIVE MEETINGS!? If you add Crack Cooney, what about adding Golota? HOW DID TYSON DO IN 6 MEETINGS VS BIG HEAVY BANGERS?

You want to tell me shot to total **** crack Cooney in his last bout was a power puncher, but smith who totally annihilated Witherspoon was not? And call me biased!? Adding total bums into a list and calling them power punchers, and call me cherry picking!?
Maybe its you who should stop applying double standards and go mind your own cherry picking business.

The Smith fight went 12 rounds, are you dumb enaugh to tell me the heavy handed 233lb Puncher didn´t try to KTFO Tyson? He protected himself by tying up Tyson like EVERYONE else did as well..

Foreman wasn´t hit as much as Tyson. Douglas was more powerful as Ali anyway...However, how they both did vs. jabbing movers is not a question here.

Lyle beat the **** out of Foreman. The great Alex Stewart beat his face to a pulp, as did Morrison. Nor did Bonecrusher, Ruddock, Bruno, or Golota!

As we compare 70s Foreman and Prime Tyson, what about you post a top ten list of 70s Foreman vs Punchers?
Then i´ll post Prime Tyson (post prison) list with your KO-Ratios.