Groves Eubank post fight thoughts

obviously cej was exposed last night. He has progressed little ...if at all....from his first loss to bjs.

That being said groves was exposed too. Here he was..bigger, heavier puncher, excellent boxer with tons of top level experience. He had very advantage going in. He faced a smaller light-punching "boxer", who had literally almost no rudimentary fundamental boxing skills - surely anything less than a devestating Grives ko win has to be regarded as failure?

Grives fought a very negative fight, far too negative IMO (OK on one level he schooled junior I know) despite holding all the cards here.cej brought nothing but fitness heart and chin...and incredibly almost won! If he'd had even a scintilla of know how he could've got to groves earlier. If he got to groves even a round or two earlier, who knows?
If jr hadn't got the bad cut so early...

Groves might've gassed, the shoulder might've gone completely....etc etc.

There should've been no ifs and buts about this one.....and yet if you think about it there are.

Now Eubank is a bit of a Martin Murray character. Overrated by his fans, too big for one division and too small for the other and lacking the skills to succeed in either. A "nearly man". Groves will have cemented himself in fans minds as a "nearly man" too....he was nearly great...but he couldn't quite manage it. A negative fighter..Froch was right.

 

I was feeling like you were yesterday about Groves, disappointed that he didn't force his advantage and go for the kill.

However thinking about it more today, I think it's a sign of Groves maturity that he held back. He's learned from the Froch and Jack fights and played it safe because he was comfortably ahead.

Old Groves would have gone for the finish in round 5/6 and got caught with someone in the process and we would be declaring Eubank the winner.

 

The issue is that Eubank would just swing in the later rounds, his will to win is what makes him relentless rather then workrate.

So I believe Groves just wasn't taking risks, because all it takes is for him to look sloppy in the last 2 or 3 rounds under pressure and fight possibly get waved off, cause his head dips a lot when he's tired.

He probably could of KOed CEJ if he put it on fully, but does it really matter? The win is what matters, made a ton of money for getting it and a place in the final.

 

Very mature of Groves having learned from previous defeats to stay in control and not take unnecessary risk, sensational performance from an under-rated fighter who somehow isnt getting the credit he deserves.

 

Another PPV rogering for the PPV mugs as it must go down as a semi-stonker.

For every Tony Dosh v Wlad Clit, there are 20 PPV stinkers.

Will the muggeth ever wake up?

 

I think it was a mature seasoned performance from groves to which he fully deserves the credit for.

He did what he had to, to win pure and simple

 

Eubank got KD from a ramrod jab

 

How did eubank almost win? He lost virtually every round...the scorecards were ridiculous...there were also several knockdowns that weren’t called...

Eubank’s delusion seems to be rubbing off on people...

Even when he did have his moments he was barely landing anything...groves was blocking and dodging shots and eubank was smothering his own work, mainly because if he left any space at all Groves was turning him...

I gave Eubank two rounds max, one of which was the last where Groves had 1 arm...

The issue on the outside was Groves had the longer reach and was just as fast...

Talk of a rematch was silly...

I don’t think Eubank is a bad fighter...needs to return to middle...trouble is all the champions there beat him...so he’ll probably stay at supermiddle and try and pick up a strap...

Imagine what Golovkin would do to him...

The delusion and arrogance will be his undoing...the way he ignores the corner...he’s got talent but needs to refine his skills...he’s 28 though...not young...

 

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Managed to watch it this morning and I was a little surprised as it wasn’t quite the one sided schooling some had posted last night on here.
Fair enough Groves won well enough, but it was a very sloppy fight and he was just a bit less sloppy than Junior.
Junior at times looked a complete novice in there Groves was right pre fight about his training, he looked as though he’s hardly been
trained at all.
No jab, no measure of distance, he simply tried to rush Groves all night and hoped he’d land something in the tangle up close.
I think Groves was aware of gassing and basically just did enough in the rounds.
It was in the end a mature performance from a better schooled boxer.

 

Brilliant post m8, agree on every point. You summed the fight snd Eubank up perfectly.

 

Good performance from Groves, didn't do anymore than he needed to do. Eubank is a good fighter but nowhere near justifying the hype around him. If CEJ stays at SMW, he has limited winnable fights IMO at world level.

Groves, providing the shoulder is okay is favourite to win it all now.

 

thought the fight was horrible personally. eubank trains hard looks good throwing good sharp combos in sparing, then as soon as he sets foot in the ring against someone who fights back some caveman dna activates and he goes throwing those cricket bowlers all over the place. awful, wide open. groves did enough.

 

How Eubank almost won is this:

If his vision wasn't impaired by the cut so early....if he'd been even 10% a better boxer.....if groves shoulder had popped a round or two earlier....had any one orphans several scenarios played out fractionally differently groves could likely have lost that fight.

On paper...on the scorecards it should have been 9-3 or so ...but at the end of the day groves squeaked home in that final round. He really should have ended it early against such an overmatched opponent.

 

Now everything has settled down I believe it looks even worse for Jr. Also I'm not having any of this "Groves was negative" or "Groves didn't stop him"

Don't forget Groves dropped him TWICE, that happened, don't forget it, don't blank it, Jr isn't granite, he is tough and game but he isn't the rock some believed he was.

It's called "Boxing" not "Fighting", a lot of us said Jr can't box, he would struggle if Groves jabbed, he can't cut off a ring (footwork), can't get out the way of punches (footwork), doesn't punch hard and we were proved right.

All the talk before the fight was the majority of Groves fans/backers saying Groves would out box Jr and Jr fans/backers saying he won't be able to keep Jr off him and Groves will fade/crumble, some said Jr would blast out Groves.

It was always going to be the old Boxer Vs Brawler type of fight..

And Groves just out boxed Jr, it isn't and wasn't a riddle before and it isn't after, Jr can't box, his footwork is a joke and so is his ring IQ.

I'm also not having the weight difference was an issue from Jr fans/backers because before the fight many people mentioned the weight and how it would be a problem and they were shut down, told it wouldn't make the slightest difference and was Jr too strong, a beast and he was a SMW, the weight won't make a difference.

Jr was exposed last night, he really was, it was quite a brutal and embarrassing lesson in the end, Jr is tough, game and brave but he is bang average at best.

Also his mental game was exposed, after all the big talk, the boasts, the threats Jr either freezes or he is frightened to let his hands go at the first bell in big fights, happened against BJS and happened again last night, this is not a coincidence.

Jr said before the fight "one of us is a fake" and "one of us is lying to you" well we saw who the fake was, we saw who was lying and it certainly wasn't Groves.

For all the people who bought in to the Jr hype, watched the social media clips of him smashing pads or machines, beating up poor sparring partners I am not digging you out, we all get carried away sometimes but give Groves his credit, he absolutely embarrassed Jr.

Jr was given a boxing lesson last night, the cards were ridiculous, they were far too close, I scored it 118-110 maybe 117-111 and so did many others, I didn't see anybody score that to Jr, not one single person in the press either.

Jr only looked "on top" for around a minute, that was when Groves' shoulder was out of its socket in the 12th round.

It wasn't debatable, it wasn't close, it was conclusive and emphatic, give Groves his credit, and remember Jr was the favourite for this fight, I still can't figure out how or why but Jr was the favourite.

So just give Groves credit for his mature and experienced performance and let's all move on.