Seldom discussed Jack Johnson fights

Thanks for adding SolomonDeedes. You might be right on Jeannette being heavier than 162 ( I tend to agree ) , but using the weight before in their first fight of 1906, Johnson did, in fact, have a 20-pound weight advantage. 185 to 205. I think the paper is correct that Jonson retained his 20-pound advantage when they met again in 1906.

Don't you think Johnson should have won easily here as Jeanette was a novice with no amateur experience and less than two years pro experience with a 10-10-1 reported record from Box Rec? I do.

When I look back at the trouble Johnson had with this very green version of Jeannette and the trouble he had vs. a lower level talent in McCormick in 1906; ( something I was unaware of until recently ) it should not surprise anyone that he lost to Marvin Hart in 1905.

 

Just three rounds and a draw again in 1908? Amazing for once you added something! Congratulations, Mcvey! There must be a Supermoon, Blue moon, and lunar eclipse tomorrow! In fact, there is. But was this a real fight, or just an exhibition match???

I think details are needed and suspect it was more of an organized sparring type of event as three rounds only isn't much of a fight, especially back then.

Do you think GunBoat Smith's TKO over Johnson in 1909 was a real fight or exhibition match? That one was four rounds and far more famous. See my point? Likely not. You can't play double standards.

Finally Johnson and Jeannette final meeting happened much later in life ( 1945 ) sparring for World War II bonds...so sorry to ruin your moment of jubilation, 1908 was not the last time they appeared in the ring together. So technically your moment of triumph has been rather muted old chum

 

I quoted Jeanette's age correctly in 1906. DUH. And I was right about it not being the last time they meet, you were not

1906 to me was an official fight.

Was 1908 3 round draw a real fight or not? I asked for details, then you go silent on the mater. My guess is there could be details in the book which you do not want to share. It sounds more like an exhibition match to me. then again withholding information and not quoting in full context are things you are guilty of.

You agenda to uphold Johnson at all costs is frankly boring. And your wrong, many here look forward to my posts. I get weekly thumbs up my many. I'd suggest you skip my posts instead of being drawn to them like a moth to a bug zapper.

For the rest, I intent to add more information on less than famous Johnson fights. Johnson vs Jeanette for WW II Bonds is a classic to watch. I recommend it. Yes they are old, but they move well for their age and the smiles tell tales. One of the best thing Johnson ever did in my book!

 

Johnson vs Jeannette, the DQ match where Johnson lost but kept his title.

The Boston Globe: Joe Jeannette of New York went down in the second round of the wind-up with Jack Johnson, the Negro heavyweight champion, at the National A.C. tonight, from a foul blow, and 10 minutes later he was carried from the ring suffering intense pain. The blow was delivered about the middle of the second round and when both men were fighting fast. Johnson rushed Jeannette into a corner and one of his many swings went foul, the blow landed several inches below the belt. Jeannette’s seconds worked over him five minutes, and then carried him to his dressing room. Jeannette to the surprise of everyone, had all the better of the first round. He was fully six inches shorter than his opponent, and 25 pounds lighter.

Commencing the second round, Johnson sent a hard right to Jeannette’s body and swung another right for the jaw, but Jeannette was out of harm’s way and came back with that bad left to Johnson’s jaw. This appeared to anger the big champion, and he went after Jeannette. Many of the blows, which had steam enough behind them to drive Jeannette through the ropes, missed, and as Jeannette straightened up after each ducking he nearly always managed to tap Johnson’s jaw. Johnson fought Joe around the ring, and finally getting him in a corner, rained rights and lefts on his body, one of which blows went low and Jeannette fell to the mat. Johnson, not knowing he had hurt Jeannette, struck him at least twice while the latter was falling.

The Hudson Dispatch reported the following: In the middle of the second round of a fast, interesting contest, at the National Athletic Club last night, Jack Johnson, the colored heavyweight champion laid low Joe Jeannette with a terrific left hand uppercut which landed very low on the Gotham boy. As Jeannette sank to the canvas with a startling groan, the crowd threatened to the title holder bodily harm, and it was due to the fact that a squad of armed policemen entered the ring, in time to prevent some lovers of the Queensbury rules from starting into the ring.

Jeannette was carried unconscious from the ring to his dressing room, where Doctors Ferris and O’Connor, failing to revive him, sent him to the Pennsylvania Hospital. Johnson was placed under arrest and locked up in a nearby station house where he was held until Jeannette entirely recovered from the blow. Jeannette was taken to the station house, but he refused to make any charges against the champion.

Johnson and Jeannette were the principals in the star boxing show at the National Club’s weekly boxing show. The former had every natural advantage, towering over the Jersey man, outclassing him in reach and outweighing him many pounds. There was considerable money bet that Jeannette would not last four rounds, Johnson himself having put up $200.

When the bell summoned the men into action, Johnson appeared the cleverer of the two, having it all over Jeannette. The latter soon got down to business and a long left jab was continually reaching the champion’s jaw. A hard right to the body shook Jack up considerably.

Jeannette kept these tactics in the second round, and Johnson maddened at the thought, threw all reason and rules to the wind, and started to go in and “rough house” it.

Near the end of the second round, he rushed in, swinging both arms wildly, Jeannette backed into the ropes, and as he did so, Johnson released a terrific left uppercut from his knees, hitting the local fighter very low. Jeannette then slowly sank to the floor.

Jeannette was carried unconscious from the ring to his dressing room, where Doctors Ferris and O’Connor, failing to revive him, sent him to the Pennsylvania Hospital. Johnson was placed under arrest and locked up in a nearby station house where he was held until Jeannette entirely recovered from the blow. Jeannette was taken to the station house, but he refused to make any charges against the champion.

 

Boilermaler,

Back then the metal cups could do more harm than good. Johnson hit Jeannette when he was down too.

Johnson was no stranger to fouls or low blows. His DQ win over Ferguson could have been one of those cases in 7-18-1905

" Enraged by Johnson's insulting patter and left-hook to the belly, Ferguson took advantage of a bearhug by Johnson to drive his knee twice into his opponent's groin. Ferguson had taken the first two rounds, round three was even, but Johnson began driving home a wicked left hook to the stomach to take the fifth and sixth, and one or two may have strayed. "

In another match vs. Ferguson, Johnson pushed his opponent through the ropes!

12-11-1903. Johnson vs. Ferguson:" In round 4 Johnson shoved Ferguson through the ropes into the arms of ringside journalists. At some point here, either because of the fall or from a misplaced punch, the big Canadian injured his right hand and was reluctant to use it. Ferguson claimed he injured his right hand in the third round and used it infrequently from the fourth round on. " Johnson took the decision.

>>> Johnson was the better in the series, but it was pretty close in some fights. Perhaps Ferguson size was a reason why? Ferguson wasn't very good. He lost and drew almost as much as he won.

 

That is you on many posts, the difference here is I'm talking boxing. If posing fight reports = hate, your in the wrong forum.

Obviously Jeanette wasn't 5'6" tall, but he was shorter than Johnson and for these fights I think lighter. Of course he was a novice / .500 type of fighter when his matches with Johnson happened.

Until then, what a shameful uppercut