Groves Eubank post fight thoughts

Absolutely

Eubanks should look at the improvement in BJS under Ingle and see that he could also raise his game to a new level under better guidance.

 

CEJ does give out stick himself on Twitter and roasted DeGale when he lost to the Pepsi Can in December.

Naz was absolutely seething and the only reason I can think of is he went balls deep on Eubanks Jnr losing a substantial sum of money. Why else would he be so angry?

Credit to CEJ for not hiding behind a microphone at the WBSS like Yellow Bellew and putting it all on the line at a higher weight against top level opponents.

I still think CEJ will be a World Champion but needs to get his head out of his arris and realise that he is not an elite fighter.

Forget about collecting belts and focus on winning one of the major belts at Middleweight

 

I'd still watch Eubanks fights without hesitation. He just has a likeable style whether he wins or loses.

Groves schooled him though let there be no doubt about that. Groves could of got him out of there on a few occasions but chose not to. He has clearly learnt lessons from the froch fight. He has gotten wiser. You don't need to knockout your opponent to win the fight. You can just outbox and outsmart them instead.

And Eubank won't change trainers, he's far too proud for that.

 

Incant believe that so many supposedly boxing fans fancied eubank Jr to win. Eubank needs to drop to MW and wait for GGG to retire... GGG sparks him and BJS does the exact same to him as GG but slicker and quicker.

As for groves after tournament if he wins I think he should go light heavy

 

Eubank jnr needs a Proper trainer and does he really need all that padding on his hands, seems a bit much to me.

 

Twenty I think I m actually telling you lies here mate. Pretty sure I seen the first six rounds of it a while back. And your right billy looked tremendous from what I seen. Almost looked like mayweather in there at times.

Hes obviously a strong favorite at this point in time over eubank. Eubank needs to rebuild at middleweight again. Be interested to see how billy goes from here tho if he can keep it up. If his stamina stays the course in a gruelling fight. But its certainly looking up for billy Joe at the minute. Will watch that whole fight again...the next chance I get. It does appear from what I seen...ingle has got his stamina sorted tho. Interested to see Billy's next fight...to see if he can keep it up.

 

Realistically what can a fundamental trainer do for him...without a straight right hand.

You need the straight right as a threat to opponents. He can't throw a one two or even a lead straight right hand. Even with a fundamental coach...he,d always be predictable and at a major disadvantage without it.

Think about it for a minute...fighting without a straight right hand. Its no easy task against guys with good footwork.

 

Now the dust has settled I have watched the fight again and it is quite clear that Eubank Jnr is still delusional and so are his fans.Jnr was protected by the ref as he was floored 3 times by Groves and got away with it.Groves didn`t lead with his head once in the fight,it was Jnr as that is how he attacks as he is so limited and has very poor boxing skills.He flies in with his head and swings his arms.At 28 no coach is going to teach him the fundamentals of boxing, it would be like Ricky Hatton when he went to Mayweather Snr to teach him to box and not lead with his face.

Eubank is what he is a crude slugger who swings and looks good against static second rate fighters. He has no future as a legit champion in either the SM division or the middleweight division.He isn`t even good enough to be a gatekeeper type fighter.

There is a video of Jnr making his way back to his dressing room telling his team he thought he had done enough to nick the fight. He asked them all what they they thought.There was silence but two of them told him to watch the fight when he has a chance.None of his team thought he had won, they were close enough to see how bad he performed.If he were to fight Groves 10 times Groves would win all 10 and at least half of them by stoppage.

 

Maybe a good trainer of fundamental boxing skills could improved his ability to throw those punches. He seems to have a great work ethic, I think it's at least worth attempting.

 

He has some kind of elbow injury....that stops him being able to extend the right hand straight. Hence the reason he never throws it straight and relies on hooks/uppercuts so much. Not sure your aware of that or not.

I m just left wondering how they can't fix it.

 

This forum is something else when it comes to banning people.

 

Jr has managed to surpass domestic level without 'proper' training or tactics.

He's never going to be a Ray Robinson, but there's got to be room for improvement if he is willing to admit a new trainer could help him. Even with his current skillset he could do better if he just had someone really top notch who was setting out his gameplan.

The obvious problem is if Jr actually believes the tripe him and Sr were coming out with about him not needing a trainer. If that's the case he better go looking for paper belts because he won't be mixing it at world level.

 

@Jurgen getting banned now. Unbelievable.... Admin, you’ll lose some really good people to other, more relaxed boards if you continue to be heavy handed. Myself included.

 

Juniors only ever not had success on the inside against groves. Every other opponent...hes managed to including billy Joe Saunders. Groves has a world class jab. He also has great judgment of distance. His whole footworks set up to not let you get in on the inside. Carl froch struggled to do anything inside with him in that first fight trying to fight him on the outside. Everytime he tried...he ended up getting his head punched off. He settled for getting shots in on the counter...when i say counter i mean after groves hit him cleanly....till it gradually took a toll on groves. He managed it cause he was a big strong super middle.

Eubank couldn't put a dent in him on the inside. Groves was stronger than him. He struggled on the outside cause they all struggle on the outside against groves. To add to that...he cant extend his right hand.

No trainer in the world would have guided eubank to a win against groves on Saturday night. Maybe via lucky shot...or injury. But that's about it. It wouldn,t have been down to a trainer. If they could have got him on the inside better...he would have ended up getting knocked out. Groves was too strong for him on the inside. You can't turn up fighting at world level without draining down in weight....even if your an elite talent its still a tough ask.

Don't believe the hype. Ronny Davies is a proper trainer. The old mans also had more world title fights than all these proper trainers put together.

The kids struggling without a straight right hand. He's also naturally stiff as a board. With slow footwork. You can only improve that so much. The lack of straight right hands still a bigger problem than the footwork for getting inside. No trainer will be able to do much with that. His best chance of success is doing what there doing but at middleweight. And get him hitting the body a lot more.

How do you even start a game plan against groves without a straight right hand being the weaker/smaller man. I m not sure even emmanual steward would know that.