Why does Frazier match up better h2h against "modern heavyweights" than Marciano?

Maybe he does but the jury will forever be out on it.

 

I agree with everything except chin.frazier had the better chin without a doubt.the iron chin of rocky is a laughable myth . frazier took the shots from bob foster like nothing and an old archie moore did hurt marciano and did put down his ass

 

they do not seem so different in level, but marciano will always be marked by the possibility of inhouse protection, whereas frazier can boast no such negative accreditation. Joe earned what he got for sure.

That said, Rock has that record.

 

A good bit heavier, that's all

 

Is this what this forum has come to.
Really?

 

This needs sorting, and it's going to be!

 

Unfounded, unchallenged, and unchecked assumed advantages given by size based on unsubstantiated and unsupported speculation and nothing more.

I'd love to read technical breakdowns of Marciano vs anyone post 60s but unfortunately all those conversation ever amount to is one side saying they believe size makes it not necessary to acknowledge skillset.

I've never read Phantom Overhead unless it was me writing it. Why is that? Probably over a million Marciano threads on this forum alone and I'm the only one who wants to talk about line of sight when talking about big vs small? Am I crazy or just alone in thinking where guys look matters?

How about on the other end of the spectrum. Isn't it disrespectful as **** to all the big guys who went out of their way to know what to do with a Marciano when you claim anyone big enough could do it? I mean ****, only Fury and Wilder can pivot presently....right there should tell you loads but instead of talking about their inability to get off the track like that isn't a death sentence against Marciano youse want to say size negates it. Well, like ****. If size negated it none of the big guys would bother with anything but big man game. Why waste years of training for a style that's negated by your basic training?

Some fighters no matter how big they are are just made to be eaten up by The Rock. It is his explicit intention to use their size against them and if they've no training for that then their size is indeed a deficit that might cause them to be knocked out.

Look at Wlad for example. What has he for a man who is going to use size against him? Nothing he's displayed because he's never fought a man who could use size against the bigger opponent. I'm not saying Rock beats Wlad what I am saying is Wlad's lean back 1-2 bull**** works against a little ***** who's scared to step like Mormeck. Nothing to do with Rocco at all. If you want to claim Wlad can do something your ass better claim he could have done things he never did because he didn't get the opportunity to in his time. Just like Marciano himself and the Marciano backers do claim. Marciano never beat a big man because they weren't there. Wlad never beat 175lbs because he's not allowed. Whatever claim is made can't be based on but him were big and Rocco beat him or but him were small and Wladster smoked him because they ain't fought **** that fights like one another.

Hell even the common comparison to same sizes gets muddied. What does a modern 175er know about fighting CWs or small HWs? Nothing. Not even a reason to train for being 175 and fighting 200 because that **** ain't happening. You can move up and be 200 fighting 200 sure, but you will never again see a fighter trained to fight 200+ while themselves being 185- so show some respect to the era that did allow it and the skill sets that came of it.

 

There is plenty of doubt. They didnt fight the same fighters at the same points in their careers. IMO they both were tough with good chins. I dont see any evidence that Marciano had a better chin either.