I don't get why people think a 70's Foreman beats a prime Tyson

These statements like "he just paws and has his arms out" like it doesn't actually block punches or take some of the steam off of punches. It most certainly does. It's not the best defense, but he blocks more punches than Tyson, who relies more on head movement. Regardless, there is nothing that leads me to believe that Foreman couldn't have take those punches as good as Tyson if not better.

 

You seem to believe that Foreman was TKO'd by Ali because his chin couldn't take the punishment. His chin wasn't the main reason he went down, it was his stamina, that was the issue. You can't say that was the reason Tyson went down against Douglas, nor Holyfield, nor Lewis. In those situations, it was his chin. Holyfield unleashed 3x the amount of punches on Foreman than he did Tyson, and they didn't dent him. The famous, what, 16 punch combo Holyfield unleashed on Foreman would've felled Tyson. He isn't standing upright from that, and Foreman just kind meh's it.

It comes down to this, Foreman has all the physical and mental capabilities to get this job done, more so than Tyson. Doesn't mean Tyson couldn't win, but I'd put my money on Foreman.

 

If 215lb Evander Holyfield hit Tyson then he would pee his pants with laughter seeing how well he took 249lb monster puncher Lewis' shots???? Oh wait...........

 

Nowhere near as hard as any version of Foreman though, do the math.....

 

Don't give too much credit to Tyson for taking so much punishment. He had braced himself for an asswhipping from the 2nd round on. He took some shots but he wasnt punching and taking chances. His offense took a dump against Douglas even at a much younger age. When a guy isn' t punching and covering up he is probably gonna last longer.

 

Hahahaha now it's the headbutts, gets better by the minute. Can you recall in their first bout when Tyson lunged in head first and came off second best screaming and moaning like a young girl?

 

Tyson was knocked out by one shot from Lewis, one shot from Holyfield basically finished him at the end of the 10th. Foreman would be throwing shots to wipe him out from the get go, that's the difference.

 

I was embarassed for Tyson at that time. U didn't catch it until the 2nd time I viewed it. Tyson was play acting hoping to get out of the fight. Then HE asks to see the ring doctor. Mike Tyson ask the referee to see the doc. He wanted out of the first fight.

Just sayin I know he wasn't prime then even though he could beat Foreman I wouldn't bet on him. He was a front runner

 

1-who cares? Because boxing is both mental and physical. Of course it makes difference if youve never gotten off the floor to win and you strugle when facing a strong willed opponent who wont just fold and be intimidated.

2-see you are trying to have it both ways again. Holyfield was undefeated and in his prime with an 80% ko rate when e fought foreman--he couldnt drop him let alone knock him out. Ali did. Foreman is their only common opponent, so ill assume ali hit just as hard if not harder. Douglas was NEVER a devastating puncher, youre acting like he was leagues ahead of ali. If alis power was a 6 douglas was a 7 at best.

3-it took massive punishment and foreman punching himself out to fall too, and he did so less often as tyson.

4-ok, so if youre going to give a prime tyson credit for something his 2002 version managed (taking blows from lewis) you have to give prime foreman credit for all the punchers he faced as an old man. Fair?

5-heres the thing tho, ruddock was the only serious punchers tyson faced in his prime. As i explained to the idiot in the previous pages, smith did not want to open up and hardly landed anything. Bruno was scared to death and held and rabbit punched.

80's Tysons best/most skilled opponents were easily spinx (glass jawed light heavyweight who didnt last 1 round), holmes (chubby innactive 38 year old coming off a loss and much slower than his prime self), berbick (tailor maid flat footed b level fighter with mediocre defense and speed, didnt last 2 rounds), tucker (1 armed fighter with a broken hand), and tubbs (showed no heart whatsoever, fat as hell on purpose, practically dove to the canvas looking for an out in 2 rounds).

This isnt me attempting to tear apart tysons resume like a typical hater. I give credit for tyson unifying the belts and fighting the guys availabld, thats not his fault. But amongst the guys i listed, given their condition/age/effort they showed, nearly anyone would look like a "defensive wizard" fighting them. Dempsey would demolish every single one in similar fashion. Liston barely breaks a sweat with any of them except perhaps tucker (and even then, maybe not, he had ONE ARM). Lets not even discuss what a defensive marvel ali, lewis, or holyfield would lool like against those guys.

6-tyson wasnt outdoors in steaming heat swinging for the fences trying to knock out an elusive, retreating lewis. What part of this do you not understand? Foreman literally wanted to kill, not beat up, kill ali. He hated him with every atom in his body and became inactive for a year because of the loss.

Tyson was, like you said, a drunk washed up fighter who wanted a payday for all his legal fees for his out of the ring shennanigans. He pretty much gave uo after his little blitz attempt in round 1 and then decided to just accept fate. He stood there in a half assed peak a boo stance and occasionally fished for a chance to land a bomb.

That is completely different from relentlessly swinging for the fences non stop every single round on an elusive target who counters you dozens of times each round whole tying you up and rolling with your punches to avoid damage. Lewis was a cautious fighter hiding behind his long reach and pawing jab, wary of tysons power, and occasionally throwing a single right hand shot for damage or an uppercut if he charged in (which was very rare after round 1).

The styles, climate, attitude, and condition of both fighters are completely different. Its a terrible, horrible comparison. Foreman could barely stand, was wheezing, leaning into the ropes, covered in sweat with shakey legs, etc when ali finally dropped him. If ali didnt land that combimation foreman probably would habe collapsed.on his stool in the 9th or 10th anyway. The proof of this is the fact foreman got up at the count of 9 on his own and was on his feet and not wobbling or blacking out at all. It was 80% pure exhaustion (mosly caused by his own reckless style), alis flurry was just icing on the cake.

 

Exactly. Tyson fans are the only ones who say hed win because of fights where he got destroyed! Ive literally never seen this happen with any other boxer.