Do you respect Andre Ward and think he should be considered as an ATG?

Maybe Huck in a few years time ...

 

You are totally delusional to think there isn't problem with Ward's tactics during his championship reign(i suspect he must have honed his crudeness long before this). You also fail to realize how much his headbutting,elbowing and low blows,combined with his excessive clinching and lunging influenced the outcome of his major fights,not to mention having the officials and commentators on his side.The real question is,why are you holding on to the delusion as tightly as Ward holds on to his opponents?Ward is just an ordinary fighter with an extraordinarily dirty repertoire.

 

He's one of the top 3 SMW's ever, he also has
wins over 2 of the top LHW's of the past decade in a half.
(Kovalev and Dawson),

Whatever is thought of his fights vs. Kovalev, they will always
stand as two wins over the divisions top guy at the time they fought.

And while Dawson's win was a drained version at SMW, again Dawson was still considered the top
LHW at the time and indeed for the better part of 2006-2013
was considered the number 1 guy at the weight.

Ward was at the top of 2 divisions and I can't realistically see who would've
been favored over him.

 

What you speak of is exaggerated made -up baloney.

I already pointed out how the cut that stopped Kessler didn't happen till round 10. How do you explain Kessler being dismantled one sided in the previous 9 rounds minus any head butts?
Your video only showed two cases of head clashes because thats all it was in reality.. The myth is Ward butted Kessler throughout the entire fight and thats false. Repeat a lie long enough and it becomes a truth.

Were you complaining when Miranda cut Ward in the FIRST ROUND with a head butt? Yeah , Ward wasn't either. He just got on with it.

What other examples of Ward winning fights by head butt have you got? Don't say Bika as that guy was a genuinely dirty fighter and has been deducted in the past for deliberate head butts against Calzaghe.

Btw , im not saying Ward is a clean fighter at all , im saying he never fought illegally or against the rules.

What looks dirty to you is old school tricks of the trade, craftiness and just plain rough house tactics. This isn't tidily winks , this here is the hurt game and Ward can't be blamed for being more aggressive than his opponent.

Look at Marciano for example. An exemplary fighter of boxing and an authentic ATG. One of my favorites. He used deliberately miss punches so he could follow through with the elbow. He beat the bollox off Hockell.
He used pretend to initiate a clinch and at the last minute would fire off sidewinder punches.

If Ward used that move people would be crying - oh he deceived him , he's not fighting honest , he feigned a clinch wah wah ..

But Ward only wins fights because he has the commentators on his side yeah ?

 

You need to check up on what comprehensively means.

 

Respect No, ATG probably..

 

HOFer yes, ATG, no

 

I've seen him fight lesser opponents and he looks beast I wish he did that to all opponents but he hasn't done that to the best kovelov 2 was a legit stoppage

 

Yes and yes

 

He was a fine fighter.

But there aren't too many guys in the Hall of Fame with only 32 wins, none of them coming over someone who is also a Hall of Famer.

Again, fine fighter. But I've never looked at him and thought he was an all-time great. He never really put on exciting fights. And I've found I don't miss him now that he's gone. In fact, I think he's kind of surprised how nobody seems to miss him.

He could get there if he comes back and does more. But he seems to be lacking something right now.

What was he great at, exactly? It wasn't his gift for gab. Or avoiding clinches. Or fighting clean. It wasn't for putting his titles on the line around the world. Or engaging in boxing classics. Or unifying a division. Or beating some other future hall of famers. Or being a crossover star. Or even for being an expert negotiator. Hell, he lost nearly four years of his prime because he was arguing with his promoter.

He made some good money and had a fine career. Nothing wrong with that.

I just don't consider him an all-timer.

If you can win titles in two divisions, win all your fights, retire with your brain in tact and still be sort of a disappointment ... that's Andre Ward.

He looks good on paper, but something's missing.

 

I got to thinking about what top 100 ATG actually means....To put it in to perspective, if we cut that limit off at 10 for each of the original 8 classes (which is a brutal cutoff for a class like 160, for example), that's 80 spots taken right there.

Only 20 spots would be left for the other classes combined...and the elite weight jumpers.

If we were giving equal weight to the rest, we'd have enough room for the GOAT in the other 9 classes, and just 11 spots left for the weight climbers.

Or, equal weighting every class, only the top 5 would make it, with 15 spots for weight jumpers. I'd argue that's punishing the original 8 class fighters too much, but that's what it'd look like.

That's brutal for a modern fighter to try and crack that list. If there was a different man winning FOTY every year since 1900, and that determined ATG status, 17 still wouldn't make the cut.

 

Billy Goat Wars NEVER LEGITIMATELY BEAT Kovalev

 

Respect anybody that gets in the ring. Not a fan of his style.

Yes to both questions.

 

Winning boxing matches.

 

Definitely not a fan. But yes a HOF and pretty close to ATG.
I much preferred the guy taking the beating in the corner in my avi, who also happened to be Wards Idol