Is Chris Eubank Sr. Right? Is Chris jr TOO dangerous?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by lencoreastside, Feb 16, 2018.


  1. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I think Chris Eubank Jr. has highlighted the danger of propaganda. Look at just how deeply people who follow the sport enough to regularly contribute to a specialised forum bought in to all of the utter nonsense spouted by someone as obviously delusional as 'English' Chris Eubank.
     
  2. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    As some of you may have noticed I've given Sr some real hammer lately but believe it or not I was a fan of his back in the day, I went to a few of his fights.

    In my opinion he has changed, he was a much more likeable sort of person in the beginnings, to me he seems rather bitter now, maybe the bankruptcy and marriage breakdowns have changed him, maybe way back at his height/peak all that fame changed him, maybe it's just age, I don't know the reason but he has changed.

    Here is a video, a very old grainy video (better with headphones) of him right after Nigel Benn I, its in his dressing room area after he had just became a world champion in a great fight, a fight remembered fondly to this very day, all in front of live audience of around 17 million viewers in the UK alone.

    He is beaten up, bruised, swollen and in tremendous paid due to have bitten his tongue in half (caused by a Benn uppercut).. in this video you will see Sr cuddling a crying emotional man (I believe it was his manager), a humble Sr, a softly spoken respectful Sr, a tearful Sr, a genuine Sr.

    If you haven't seen this or do not remember this version of Sr then you will see just how much he has changed and you might be surprised.

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  3. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Chris junior remains dangerous though - just at a lower level than he aspired to. Were he to fight another Nick Blackwell type boxer, he could likely inflict another serious injury on another hapless opponent. His ferocity and ability to throw hundreds of hooks and uppercuts in endless amounts means he wil remain a threat - and a danger - to domestic level opponents. If relegated to domestic level as a result of the Groves loss he remains a danger at that level IMO. Against opponents who cant cope with his relentless attacks he can still be dangerous.
    One defeat to one opponent (against whom we now know he was hopelessly overmatched) doesnt necessarily render him 'harmless' against lower tier opponents. I hope I'm wrong obviously, and it gives me no pleasure to say this, but I wouldnt be entirely shocked if he injures another opponent in the future. With his style it cant be ruled out.
     
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  4. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    He's no more 'dangerous' at British level than any other solid contender making their way up through the rankings. How you can't see this is beyond me.

    Tragedies happen in boxing - it's not because Eubank Jr. throws punches with 'murderous' intent or is so beyond his rivals. It just happens sometimes and the Eubanks fairly disgustingly IMO used this as a marketing tool.

    Lot's of very even fights have ended this way so not sure how you haven't realised that already Len.
     
  5. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Are you seriously telling me that CEJ is the same as/just another Jack Arnfield, Brian Rose, Tommy Langford etc?

    His physical gifts and athleticism are on a far higher level than the usual British title contender.
    (Im talking about his physical attributes niow, not his skill level, which of course I acknowledge is abysmal)
    But - If he reverts to British level then I maintain he may well dish out another savage beating to some hapless opponent, like he did to Spike and Blackwell....and we could have another tragedy. Run of the mill British level boxers cannot routinely throw 47 consecutive unanswered uppercuts - Eubank can.
    Nor can they normally defend themselves against such attacks (just as Spike and Blackwell couldnt).
    You cant play "uppercut pinball" with the human head like that without some risk.
     
  6. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    You still think CEJ is some sort of super soldier? Jesus wept. These things happen in boxing.

    Fighters who are well below domestic level have badly hurt opponents before.
     
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  7. CathyBarry

    CathyBarry Active Member Full Member

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    Slipping on a bar of soap in the shower is more dangerous than this hype job. He's gonna turn into a Broner type, getting big fights based off his celeb name and failing miserably. Still a good fighter obviously and will never be as bad as Broner:/ but good fighters can still be sickeningly hyped to the rafters.
     
  8. lencoreastside

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    Does anyone think cej could improve his skillset? Or it that it? Can he improve enough to ever be able to cope with groves-level type guys? Or even close to that level?
     
  9. sjp17

    sjp17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Focus on a few points , yes he can , mainly his jab, footwork, and also learn how to box to a game plan and box on the back foot.
     
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  10. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    He is too good for domestic fighters, he'd do another blackwell job on the next british level bum, there is no question. Sugar is a moron who lets hate and bitterness blind him to reason. I hope he never steps that far down to take on any more british level fodder, it's too dangerous for their health. Likewise Eubank needs to stay far away as possible from people like GGG otherwise he will get the Blackwell treatment.

    He is currently higher tier euro level. Needs to fight euro bums and keep earning a good wage before retiring because there is no way he has the attitude to root out of his flaws to become an elite fighter at this stage in his career.
     
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  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    What caused all this bull****?! Even when he was winning he wasn`t doing anything nobody else was! Is it just because he was the latest big thing?! By the way the answer to your question is no!
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Canelo did better vs GGG than Eubank did v Groves.
     
  13. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He can improve it...but without a straight right it won't do him all that much good. You can't really box on the backfoot without a straight right. You,ll even always be vulnerable....standing just inside range etc. Groves turned out to be a nightmare opponent for him...but groves a nightmare for all of them tbh at least till he starts to tire. I think eubank would have had success if groves was a middleweight. It would have been similar to what happened Saturday for 6/7/8 rounds. But reckon he could have got to groves if he was the stronger man. Even throwing from too far out. Groves was too comfortable with eubank inside...the lighter man in an inside fight usually tires most. Your dealing with a guy that punches harder than you. That's stronger than you. Thats heavier than you etc. Tires out less cause your lighter punches arent bothering him much. If eubank was the stronger man ...for me anyway...he,d have had a chance Saturday.

    People writing him off but eubank will overpower a lot at middleweight even without that straight right hand. But he pretty much needs to be the stronger man.
     
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  14. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    Don’t get me wrong, it was satisfying being proved right last Saturday. However, I think the slating Junior is taking somewhat takes away the quality of Groves’s performance. He made it look easy, he was class. Junior is still fringe world level though. Boxers with quality footwork with a solid jab will always be his krytonite. Yet, he’s not unique in this... for every fighter out there, there’s another fighter who will have their number, stylistically. There’s a key to every door.

    He’s still a dangerous fighter and top 10 at 160 & 168 imo.
     
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  15. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its possible yes. But impossible in Eubank Jrs case, because to be able to change, you have to accept you have a problem. According to Eubank Jr he won the fight, is on the heavy bags the following day and everything is wonderful and he is still going to become the next Floyd.
     
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