Jersey Joe Walcott vs Frazier's Best wins

Absolutely, marvelous post.

And I agree on Baksi, he was something of the Chuvalo of his era but a higher ceiling.

And only one late stoppage to Charles, assisted by cuts and eye issues. 1 TKO in 9 defeats to Chuvalo's 2 TKO losses in 18 defeats. I would say equal durability.

 

He should be favored over everybody before Ali on paper, but he would probably lose to somebody if he took the fights back to back.

My guess is that he drops a decision to somebody like Quarry or Ellis, then avenges it and carries on.

Ali must obviously be favored over him, but he has a cuties chance.

 

I have never bought into the idea of Walcott being inconsistent.

I feel that his post war losses, simply reflect his ability, against his level of opposition.

 

No he would beat a few like Foster and maybe Jones, Machen, Bonavena and Chuvalo but he was a different fighter though similar size the styles were different Walcott was no Frazier and Frazier was not Walcott their only similarities besides dimensions were good left hooks but even then they threw them different.....Walcott was a stylist and Frazier was a swarming left hook artist. I think the matchups here were good for Fraziers style but a cutey fighter like Walcott would be dealing with similar qualities in the others and for that reason its a toss up in style matchups....they were all quality fighters with good boxing ability on par with Walcotts own era

 

At Walcott s very best he could beat at least 5 of em .When Joe was good he was excellent , its just due to circumstances he wasn't always at his very Best .But he really was a skilful fighter ,who in another time or place could have had better luck.

 

I'd expect him to beat doug Jones and machen, Bob foster could go either way, but the rest would absolutely beat Walcott. I see Ali having an easier time with him than the rest.

 

Not Mathis? Who is easily the worst fighter on this list.

Mathis beat nobody except a diminished Chuvalo. His next best win is a SD over Amos Lincoln. It should be noted this SD win is sandwiched between 7 KO losses.

 

Not much to add here, great post Edward. Like you did, and I would reiterate, Walcott likely beat Joe Louis the first they fought. That counts for more than anything Frazier ever did sans Ali

 

Laughable

 

my bottom line is Walcott was competitive with everyone he fought after WWII.

The best of this group, Ellis and Quarry, were not competitive with the best of their time, Ali and Frazier. I would say each man's best win was over Patterson. Ellis, Quarry, and Patterson were 0-9 with 9 KO defeats against Ali and Frazier.

The only way around this is to argue that the competition vastly improved overall, but for me that is not convincing as boxing was much more mainstream in the 1940's. Almost every observer at the time mentioned that the depth of good fighters wasn't there any more.

So I just doubt the "golden era" argument for the late 1960's and early 1970's.

I understand, though, that there are a lot of folks around who remember this era, while almost no one remembers the 1940's (and I don't either), and I think it somewhat natural to be biased toward the competitors of one's own era. One almost always sees that from old-timers.

 

Amos was KOed by a shot Sonny Liston.

And you are the dude that tries to lecture me.

 

Yeah probably Mathis the point is he would not swarm like Frazier and the swarming is what caused many opponents issues so the fights would be more technical

 

No that was Leotis Martin

 

Mathis was not leading on any score card against Frazier, though it was a competitive fight.

Mathis never fought Liston!