Boxers you started off liking but wound up disliking

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  1. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Like the title says, who are some fighters that you liked, or at least wanted to like, but just couldn’t?
    I know there’s a bunch of Andre Ward threads going right now and I’m not looking to start another one, but he immediately comes to mind. I really wanted to like him as he was entering the Super 6: an American fighting in a class dominated by Euros, nice looking, articulate and well spoken. A gold medalist. Hadn’t lost a fight since age 12, and a Christian, too. How could I not love this guy? However, by the time the Super 6 had ended I remember thinking sheepishly to myself, “Young Ward kinda reminds me of old Hopkins and even John Ruiz.” Hell, he even out-dirtied Sakio Bika! I wanted to hear him call out Bute but he seemed nonchalant about that fight. Then came the Dawson fight; Chad said he wanted to fight at 175 or a catch weight but would be willing to come down to 168- and that’s what Ward went with. Ward could’ve fought for the legit 175 lb title but didn’t. And then ultimately came him suing Goosen for violating his contract. Under Goosen, unknown Ward had managed to get hometown fights against known guys, Dawson at 168 etc...and Andre sued him for not meeting contract obligations?! WTF was in that contract?! When the first lawsuit failed he tried another angle. To make it all worse we found out that Goosen was dying of cancer. The Goosen brothers always seemed like good dudes -especially compared to King and Arum. This was just too much. So basically, F*** you, Andre.
    Anyway, that’s my Andre rant. How about you guys?
     
  2. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    No, you never tried liking him, what a lie lmfao.

    1. Fighting on the inside is an art, it's not dirty what he did and he was never really dirty in any fight. Infighting is a lost art and often mistaken with playing dirty.

    2. Dawson was the one who called for the fight to happen at 168, Andre couldn't make 175 at that moment. Dawson was also completely fresh coming down (And he said so himself). "It was so easy making 168." He did fight for the legit 175 lb title, and he did that vs Kovalev.

    3. Stop falling for the Goosen was nice thing, we all damn well know that he tried to make as much money off Andre as he possibly could. Andre wasn't having any of it and didn't want to deal with it and so he went to court. What's wrong with that?

    If someone tries to screw you, you go to court
     
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  3. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    And the standard “I used to be a fan of (Insert Loma, Usyk, GGG, Calzaghe) but his FAN BOYS turned me against him!” comments in 3..2..
     
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  4. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I liked Wladimir KLitschko until Steward turned him into Lennox Lewis 2.0
     
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  5. Dagnaldinho

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    I was a Deontay Wilder fan back when he first came on the UK scene fighting the likes of Fraudley. Too much talking not enough walking over the past 5/6 however many years.. just irritates me now and I'd love to see him brought down a peg or two.

    In a complete flip side too this thread I used to always want Floyd Mayweather too lose, didn't like him. Saw him against Canelo looking as good as I ever saw him and I just thought damn, he is so special, been in love ever since.
     
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  6. Willie Maeket

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    Vasyl Lomachencko
    Was outright given a belt shot in his second pro bout, loss and was given another shot anyway.
    Has pulled up 3 guys from a lower weight class, two coming off loses, and beat them being the bigger man literally and is crowned some legend by the desperate armchair fans who don't even go to his fights.
    Whenever someone suggest that HE takes a risk and fight someone bigger and better his internet fans go ape poop and start launching insults like Bob Arum is cutting THEM a check.
    Loma is good but not as good as the Fat Fans want you to believe. Fat Dan is living vicariously through these guys because he is a fat sloppy pig.
     
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  7. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ward's a great guy and a fine role model, the hate for him is baffling and totally irrational. His stoppage of Kovalev is one of the best wins of this decade, sad that it's been buried under a heap of fake controversy.
     
  8. covetousjuice

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    Perhaps Wlad.

    He was a great boxer, even if he did fight dirty from time to time. I marvel at his accomplishments and his discipline.

    I want to like him, or at least I feel like I do.

    But every interview I watch of him makes me think he's a phony idiot.
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Miguel Cotto & Erislandy Lara off the top of my head.
     
  10. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    And because everyone is talking about the Ward/Kovalev thing:

    I might put Kovalev, sort of. I wanted to like him and I sort of did for a while. I don't dislike him now, I just don't care about him.

    Kovalev lost. He deserved to lose. And his ridiculous arrogance in dismissing Ward's abilities and the advice of a coach leave me unsympathetic. Yeah, Ward didn't win in the cleanest way. Maybe those blows were low. But that wasn't the decisive factor. Ward was winning anyway and the low blow thing is just a crutch to ignore that reality.

    And just to continue the Slavic theme because I know it will **** people off:

    I really did not like Loma dragging up Rigo two weight classes. I don't care that Rigo was desperate enough/stupid enough to accept it. Loma probably could've roughed up Rigo just as easily at 126, but he didn't do that. This was just A side abusing B side. I didn't like when Canelo pulled this ****, and I don't like Loma doing it either.

    This wasn't enough for me to say I dislike Loma, but it was a nontrivial step in that direction.
     
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  11. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    I said I wanted to like him and listed reasons why- that shouldn’t be hard for you to understand. Then I listed reasons why didn’t- again, not hard to understand.
    1. The true statements you make are also overly simplistic. James Toney was a great inside fighter.
    2. Andre couldn’t make 175? Chad said he preferred to fight at 175 or a catch weight but would - and ultimately did - come down to 168. Ward could’ve fought at 171.5. And don’t be stupid, I’m not talking about him fighting at light heavyweight 10 years later, that’s obvious from the post. You’re better than that.
    3. You mean a promoter trying to make as much as he can? Like every other human being does? I listed the specific reasons why Goosen did right by Ward. How much more $ do you think the infighting master should’ve made? And if there’s nothing wrong with suing Goosen, why did Andre lose in court multiple times and sit out until his contract was bought out?
    Look, there’s some legit reasons to like Ward and I listed them but your post added nothing.
     
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  12. Barrera

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    pac

    kova

    zab judah (tho his counter uppercut is still my fav single punch thrown by any fighter)

    i cant stand sore losers
     
  13. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    I can see liking Vlad early in his career and not in post Sanders career but I wouldn’t compare him to Lewis. Lewis exacted revenge on the dudes that knocked him out, Vlad left that up to Vitali. Vlad went from athletic boxer puncher to vicious KO victim to jab and grab neutralizer. IMO, Lewis had a warrior streak that was underrated.
     
  14. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Cotto just never did it for me and early in his career there was no real reason for me to not like him. Maybe his strategic low blows...but aside from those the dude had heart and pretty much always fought the best guys
     
  15. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Well it seems you can't read at all or you're just no good at English

    Your thread

    "Fighters you STARTED off liking" which means you liked him in the past but changed your opinion of him. Not "Wanted to."

    1. Ward showcases a different style of infighting, one I don't think you truly understand. He adapts to all of his opponents styles. Nothing dirty about him.

    2. Yeah, he couldn't make 175 and that was CONFIRMED by Hunter during 2012. It's all over the web. You don't understand too much boxing if you think fighters can magically just move up in weight whenever they wanted. Andre was absolutely perfect at 168 during that time, he could have actually made 163-166 from the interviews I watched.

    Dawson was absolutely fresh and he even confirmed that it was an amazing weight for him. He was simply bested by the best active fighter on the planet at that moment in time. He said he would have absolutely no problems and wanted to come down to 168, stop trying to change that narrative. We know what he said in the post fight interview lol.

    3. Why did you bring up his cancer then? You're trying to gain sympathy points for something that adds nothing of value to your argument. Just because you have cancer means you can take advantage of people or give you immunity to lawsuits? I don't understand.

    You don't know about the contents in the contracts, so stop assuming that Ward did him wrong lol.

    Somehow I think you don't like him for another reason. One that has nothing to do with what he did or his style or whatever. It has to do with "Something" else.
     
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