John L Sullivan Vs John Ruiz

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  1. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not sure about McVey. The only person these days who was around in the Sullivan days, is Luis Ortiz.
     
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  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I know something about track, as my old man ran a 10.1 100 yard dash in the state finals ( 11.0 100 meters ).

    You can't compare track from 1930 to 2018. Shoes and PED's make the sport a vastly different game. The surface area can make a difference too. Track and field is a mental game. They used to say no one could break a 4-minute mile, than Bannister did it, and many quickly followed.
     
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  3. Seamus

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    Well, I was faster than your old man. So there.
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Ha, when did you run it? I'm talking about a 1950's time.

    In Sullivan's time the a 11.0 100 meter would have won gold in the Olympics by a full second.

    If there was ever a top track guy doing well in boxing past 1950, I do not know his name.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The first modern Olympiad was in 1896. Without opening a whole can of worms, I will just say that in Tom Burke's day the Olympic representation was not very inclusive.
     
  6. mcvey

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    We used to sit together and share our pop corn ,but we fell out over the Sullivan v Kilrain fight.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Yes to put some of these old medallists in perspective.Sam Berger ,Jeffries crony won Gold in the 1904 Olympics ,the US were the only nation to field a team.
     
  8. janitor

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    Given the obvious deficiencies in Corbett's account of his first fifth with Jeffries, I would be wary of his account of the Sullivan fight.

    Either way, this win is certainly no guarantee of success against a prime Sullivan.
     
  9. janitor

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    We will be looking at more early Sullivan fights over the coming weeks, so lets see what crops up.
    I suspect that he only knew him after the injury, but I could be wrong.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Sullivan had been out of the ring for 3 years when he fought Corbett.
     
  11. janitor

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    He wasn't in the best of nick three years previously!
     
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    Exactly , he had been strutting around with a great big bulls eye on his back for years!
     
  13. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    John L Sullivan is one helluva lot meaner and tougher than Ruiz EVER was. Sullivan by brutal ko.
     
  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Didn't John L. win J ? ;)
     
  15. janitor

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    The question is whether he would have beaten Corbett in his prime.

    Corbett was a brilliant technician, but he was clearly losing to the best punchers.

    Fitzsimmons beat him, Jeffries beat him, and Sharkey basically beat him!

    My guess is that a prime Sullivan beats him.

    Let's not forget that he lost to one of Sullivan's victims, and also a guy that Sullivan used as a sparring partner!

    He was not exactly the second coming!