Comeback Carlos Zarate - Did he have anything left?

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  1. Russell

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    I'm never given Zarate's fight with Fenech a watch, though I'll always considered it a weird, sort of cross generational fight that I'm always somewhat surprised happened.

    I'm giving Zarate vs Zaragoza a watch now.

    My question would be, how much did Zarate have left after taking a shade under seven years off from the sport? Was he a complete shell of himself, or still a competent operator? He rattled off a series of mostly knockout wins against mediocre opposition before facing two of the best of the generation of fighters that came after him... He was 36 years old against both Fenech and Zaragoza.
     
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  3. Saad54

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    He was off seven years and wasn't anywhere close to his prime form when he came back in '86. He was a Mexican legend, though, so he got a WBC title shot pretty fast. I wouldn't put much weight on his losses to Fenech and Zaragoza - he was just way too far best his best.

    I would say he showed the form of a good journey man- maybe a top 25 contender in his comeback.

    I don't think he had enough left to beat any legitimate top 10 contenders at that point.

    I would venture to say prime for prime he would destroy Zaragoza - turning his face into a pulp.

    Prime for prime at 118 he would beat Fenech, but Fenech would be too strong for him at 122 lbs.
     
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  4. Russell

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    What are your thoughts on a prime Zarate at bantam? A legendary destroyer sort of fighter? Was he a notch below the very best of all time or a danger to anyone?
     
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  5. juppity

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    Zarate was tall and lanky for a bantam. He was 118 lb version of Thomas Hearns at 147 lbs
    , Sandy Saddler at 126 lbs and Bob Foster at 175 lbs. Their power and skill led to some
    brutal ko's and they struck fear in their opponents in their division when fighting in prime.
     
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  6. Russell

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    How highly do you personally rank him at bantam? A legitimate all time great, ranking as highly as the likes of Saddler, Hearns or Foster?
     
  7. Longhhorn71

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    Watch the "Z" Boys shootout ...which will tell you why prime Zarate was right at the top of Bantamweight legends. A prime Ruben Olivares vs prime Carlos Z would have been something to see.
     
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  8. Russell

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    I've caught that one a few times myself now. Great fight. Zamora is one of my favorite fighters of that era, even though he didn't come out on top from of that particular career defining match-up.

    I recall Zarate having a substantial looking size advantage on Zamora, who in earnest almost looks like he would have been better suited fighting guys his own size. Is that just my memory or was Zarate indeed one of the bigger bantam weights around? I know he increasingly had great difficulty actually making the weight.
     
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  10. richdanahuff

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    He had a name and power little timing, little speed 7yrs is a long time away from a sport that requires so much tuning. I heard he came back for money but I would have to research.....Fenech was a force of nature but Zaragoza would not have beaten him in his prime....but I do not think his name should have been considered a big scalp for them at that stage
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    Zarate was a pinnacle level Bantam imo. It's strong at the top but he belongs well in there among them.

    I'm eagerly awaiting a Matt McGrain Bantam list!
     
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  12. juppity

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    Definite top 3 Bantam with Ruben Olivares and Edre Joffe. Now there is a legend who
    is never mentioned on this forum. Because he mainly fought in Brazil.
     
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  13. Russell

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    We've had a handful of hardcore Jofre fans over the years and all have been absolutely adamant and steadfast about his exceptional greatness. I certainly don't doubt it, he has all the ear marks and accomplishments of a great fighter.
     
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  14. Tin_Ribs

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    Jofre had plenty of support on here back in the day that grew steadily as more footage outside of the Harada and Medel fights surfaced. One of the greatest of all fighters to captured on film. Even Nat Fleischer thought so, the biased old *******.

    As per the thread, I don't think I've seen Zarate-Zaragoza, so can't comment. I watched the Fenech fight a few years back and my memory is that Zarate got mullered in the opening exchanges and was visibly a shadow of his old self, but was actually settling into a groove of sorts before the cuts stoppage and landing some good punches on Jeff with slowly increasing frequency, though still being out-worked. I'll have to check it out again at some point.
     
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  15. Russell

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    How many lower weight champions, or even just fighters, have come back after seven years out of the ring to achieve world class success?

    Jofre is certainly the exception, not the rule. The sun seems to set on the careers of the little men far faster than it does among heavyweights and the higher weight classes in general.