A brief history of the ABC era (boxing's sanctioning organizations)

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  1. IntentionalButt

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    :lol: Okay, just saw on the modern IBU website they do in fact claim the antebellum version as their ancestor, with a "title history" page from 1913 until 2015 (probably just a slacking/underpaid webmaster; the last IBU world title match was actually contested in 2016 and their lesser titles - American, Continental, etc - have been contested as recently as just a few months ago) but that's more than a little fishy. 60 year gap, and they're based in Atlanta instead of Paris, and they provide no evidence to substantiate the connection. I'm going to guess they just borrowed the name and hoped nobody would call them on it.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

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    Yeah, between 1891 and 1980 there were twenty (notable) organizations created and more than half of those were self-avowed regional bodies with no aspirations to have "world championship" recognition authority. That is twenty, in 90 years, averaging one every 4.5 years coming into being.

    In the eighties and nineties combined there were 22 newcomers - averaging 1.1 newbie annually. Thirteen of those - more than half of 22 - purport to wield the officialdom to designate world champions (although to be fair, a few of those only proclaim jurisdiction over female boxing).
     
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  3. GlaukosTheHammer

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    :lol: Yeah, anything into colored champions is a pain in the ass, and the books are expensive.

    I'm not real sure what the current IBU is, but I know the old IBU became the EBU well before the current IBU formed. I've never researched it myself, just kind of noticed one day and thought it was interesting. I'm not sure you want to add them before you look into them. It could be just some guy at a computer for all I know.

    I've always wondered how the bodies chose the colors they did. I thought about signing up for twitter or some such and seeing if their social media end would answer that. I've emailed them before and got nothing. I know it's one of the most unimportant things to wonder about but if you happen to know I'd very much appreciate it.

    The only one I know is the WBC is green for glory. How green and glory go together beyond the letter G I dunno, but I do know that's their official reason.

    Always thought the EBU blue was a nice looking belt.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

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    Yeah, the WBC made its belt green from close to if not as early as its very inception, with the inaugural matches in 1963. This happened to be SMACK in the middle of the Color Television boom, starting in 1960 and peaking (and usurping the medium from black-and-white) in 1965. Green in particular really 'popped' on the dot-sequential and shadow-mask technologies of the day used in common household color television sets. The fact that it shares a first letter with Glory sounds like something a guy in a boardroom cooked up and felt really clever about, but really it came down to focus groups indicating that green is the color the human eye most enjoys looking at, holding especially true on early CRT's that used primitive systems.

    I'm not sure what the WBA's excuse is, really. Their "burnt-umber"/espresso/dark hickory would be a fine choice for a leather sofa but isn't telegenic in the least. They were only formed a year before the WBC, too, so it wasn't as if they were fossils of the b+w transmission era, in which case you could maybe understand having a very murky shade of brown. Maybe the idea was to have the belt itself look as boring as possible so as to illuminate the gold centerpiece and make that look more fabulous? Sort of like the philosophy behind a moderately attractive girl finding a much uglier friend to be her "wing-woman", I guess... In any event, I did them a favor by coding them in the OP with light blue, which is their widely recognized logo's color (while all the others got coded by their belt color). They really should have re-branded themselves with light blue titles matching the logo at some point in the last 56 years. Guess the higher offices at the WBA must be a shambles - oh wait, not exactly breaking news! (hence why there's even an IBF & WBO to discuss! :lol:)

    Nobody else clued into the "primary colors please the optic nerve" truism until the IBF, a full twenty years later. Bright red was the obvious next choice to go with after the WBC had reserved bright green for itself - both are known to engage and excite observers. (whereas any shade of blue that doesn't have a strong depressive emotional resonance tends instead to have a lulling and somnolent effect - not the kind of association you want to have with a championship fighter!)

    Unified champs with the WBC and IBF straps on either shoulder make for incredible photo-ops. It just looks really cool.

    For some reason I find myself liking the design of the WBO mulberry (or whatever that shade of purplish-brown is called) belt, with the globe rendered in blue oceans with gilded continents and rimmed in gold with a red gem studded eagle on top, flanked by two smaller reflective gold discs. Not as visually striking as the green-and-gold or red-and-gold of the WBC & IBF, but it has a classy look. Beats the heck outta the WBA's, anyway.
     
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  5. Jel

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    Phenomenal work, IB. A lot of impressive mythbusting in all your posts in this thread. Brilliant, brilliant stuff.
     
  6. Longhhorn71

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    Who can forget The Police Gazette who back in the real olden days had
    respected rankings of their own.
     
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    Before I knew - or until this thread, thought I knew - the history of the WBC, WBA and IBF, I used to judge the prestige of the belts on the look of them. The WBC green and gold always looked awesome but the IBF red with the eagle just looked brilliant as well. It helped that fighters like James Toney and Roy Jones held those versions of the world titles so that added legitimacy in my mind. The WBA belt, by contrast, was bland as hell.
     
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    I completely concur from a fan's point of view but to the fighters themselves it really, really matters. And you can't blame them for that as it's not their fault they compete in a sport where 'world champion' is a virtually meaningless term.

    In terms of titles I recognize, the WBC, WBA and IBF are on pretty much equal terms. The WBO to me is a notch less prestigious, pehaps because I watched boxing in the 1990s when the WBO had yet to establish itself.

    The IBF definitely helped itself when it started by awarding its titles to the genuine world champions like Holmes, Hagler and Pryor. That immediately gave it a credibility and the sense that they might be the fans' representative organisation. They ultimately proved themselves to be much the same as the WBC and WBA, though.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    This picture says it all. :sisi1

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    At least 65% of the surface area there is just a drab amorphous blotch of dirty rawhide.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

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    Yeah, the founder, Bob Lee (who created the IBF almost out purely of spite in a hissy-fit after Gilberto Mendoza defeated him narrowly in an election to become WBA president; Lee alleged with interference from Bob Arum, who later did admit complicity in controlling a coupe of votes in the Orient but it remains unclear if they decided the outcome), after having been the head of the NJ commission for years (and thus in a position to lead the USBA to break from the WBA) trumpeted himself in the eighties as the "reformer" here to save pro boxing from the bureaucracy and bloat of the erstwhile Big Two - and then sixteen years later became the first acting head of a major boxing sanctioning body to be convicted of felonious (27 counts!!!) corruption & racketeering. :meparto:
     
  11. Drew101

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    The WBO appeared to gain traction in the 90's and early 2000's as a result of its more notable titleholders, namely Hamed and Calzaghe, performing well in unification bouts. That provided them with enough credibility to be considered a legitimate sanctioning body- in spite of the fact that they once rated a deceased fighter for several months.
     
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  12. IntentionalButt

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    Yeah, the WBO really ought to send the Italian Dragon in particular daily thank-you notes, maybe bake him a 10' tall cake w/ mulberry & gold frosting for his upcoming nuptials (with longtime gf Lucy Griffith)

    So did the WBA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Boxing_Association#Ranking_of_Ali_Raymi_despite_his_death
     
  13. Drew101

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    My issue with sanctioning bodies can be summed up as follows:

    Marco Antonio Barerra was still considered to be the World Featherweight Champ following victories over the undefeated and at-points-partially unified Hamed and eternal rival Erik Morales. But, no belt was at stake when Pacquiao dismantled him in their first fight-despite the fact that this fight took place at 126 over the championship distance. Pacquiao then subseuqently drew with Marquez (who held the IBF and WBA straps) in his only fight for a recognized world title at 126lbs.

    So, it could be stated that Pac never won a championship at 126...But that ignores the clear deliniation from Hamed to Barerra to Pacquiao. So...if lineage can be established, even if it circumvents any of the established belts, should it be recognized?
     
  14. Longhhorn71

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    Bob Lee & the IBF were put on "Oversee Watch" by the US Govt Legal authorities back in the nineties (?). The only thing they didn't do was try to influence a Foreign Country's political elections.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

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    Like another individual named Robert Lee who led a rebellion vs. a large and powerful institution, Bob W. sure ended up on the wrong side of history. :sisi1