Deontay Wilder losing muscle every single fight since starting VADA testing

Right. And the Stiverne who turned up the first time around was willing and able to eat up shots that had flattened other guys. He was also more generally conservative throughout than the three guys who followed him (Szpilka leapt and slept, one mistake was all it took, but it was looking for all the world like a distance fight up until that point). That compound of toughness and conservatism is why Bermane lasted, not Wilder being under 220.

The difference between the Wilder who fought, say, Sconiers and the Wilder who fought, say, Szpilka is a lot more than just weight. It's 5 years of technical development and seasoning — Wilder 2015 was no Larry Holmes, but he'd certainly taken some strides from his early pro days. Those versions just aren't reasonably comparable.

I agree that he will sacrifice degrees in those areas for being lighter (although not to the generally detrimental extent you feel is the case), but that's not all there is to an effective performance. It's on Wilder to balance the pros and cons and decide his optimum performance weight. It seems that he feels better off lighter.

I'm not 6'7", so I have no experience with weight fluctuations and performance variation at that height. Wilder does, and he would appear to disagree with you, based on comments made after the Szpilka fight and his visits to the scale in 2017 — so, out of interest, what do you base that assertion on?

 

That makes sense! That could also explain why Golovkin has dropped off since he has been enrolled in VADA as well. Seems like they're doing their job. Good for VADA!

 

Joshua is a cheat, Wilder is a cheat, Tyson Fury is a cheat. They all cheat so it makes it fair.

 

He’s been tested for years, at least since his first title fight. SMH.

 

Wilder reminds me of one of those emaciated walking dead chaps despatched by Rick and friends. Just needs a good head shot to get rid.

 

I don't believe a word Eddie says mate, I dont know if he is lying or not but I just dont believe him. WADA doesnt do testing, they are the world body for sports and they tell the testing agency what substances are prohibited.

Let me ask you a question if AJ failed one of those test hypothetically speaking, do you think they would expose him and ban him? baring in mind they never even ban Fury when he allegedly failed the test, they allowed to fight Wlad whilst he had a failed test.

 

Wilder didn't put the work in early in his career..........


If you've never lifted weights its a common mistake that even athletes think you can just go to a gym and bulk up magically....it doesn't work that way.

He was always skinny and never was committed to overall body fitness in terms of making him stronger all around.

I believe he found that out , at this late stage past 30's without enhancements you are already built to what you didn't do naturally. Unless hr has some freak genetics.....


I'm betting he ditched the bulking phase BC its only going to get him so far. Its actually a probable reason he has hand problems too...his wrists can't take the force of in which he hits. The stronger your forearm and hand is the less likely a break happens.

 

If he was using roids to get that size, he'd have to stop under VADA since they use the CIR test to detect synthetic T. I can't say if he's on roids but his size is most definitely methodically dropping.

 

yep i do think joshua would be banned
as far as i understand it the testers are just putting tubes with numbers and not names into a machine

the machine just gives what in the samples its test and if it shows a positive reading it shows up

there would have to be so many people in on the conspiracy with no one refuseing to go with it for a positive test on joshua be covered up

i remember rio ferdinand a man on what 5 million a year missing 2 or 3 spot check tests and he had the backing of a billion pound business and he was still banned for 50 games and missed the world cup / and he never even failed a test.

not everyone is for sale
if i worked as a tester and someone offered me a bung to hide the evidence / i would say no

i dont beleive eddie hearn is the mafia and would threaten my family.

conspiracy theorists abound on esb about everything.

 

It's not about conspiracies, I'm not saying AJ is juicing but I know who I would put my money on if I had to choose out of AJ and Wilder.

Ferdinand was nowhere near as important to football as AJ is to british boxing plus he missed 3 tests which is a bigger no no in beating drug testing. You only have to see the debacle with Bradley Wiggins and Team SKY to see how the top names in sports are not treated the same as others.

Anyway if you are interested in this stuff go read up on Memo Heredia and his FBI interview, search into Victor Conte and the Balco scandal.

 

my 2 sports i follow are boxing and athletics and i am fairly old in esb terms so i remember the balco saga .

yes ferdinand missed tests and was banned
i have no problem with that
but do i beleive he was on anything /IMO no.

parker missed a test and is on a warning
but i dont think he is on anything

 

I don't personally think that size equates to strength. Now before everyone jumps in and tries to get loud with this point, here are some things I will concede.

Force= Mass x Acceleration. The easiest thing for a fighter to do to increase force is to be big. Butterbean hit pretty hard but was certainly not an athlete who took nutrition seriously. But it is tough to carry power into a smaller frame- UNLESS you are seeing an increase in speed to level off the size loss, which is what I am hoping to see happen here.

Also, Lower weight - high rep training will build endurance. He is removing mass that will also shed lactic acid build. As he is getting into elite matchups his one round knock out days may be behind him. He is developing a build that is less a "sprinter" and more a "distance runner". Only he and his team knows what the weight loss is FOR but my take is that they have a specific plan they are implementing. Whether or not he can execute the plan or whether it works out for him like they want it to, we shall see.

Also, it is my understanding that weightloss after peds is drastic and not gradual. Gradual gains and loss is what I would expect from someone who is implementing new diet and training regiments.

 

And that's exactly what we've just seen. Wilder outboxed until the equalizer showed up.

This guy is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

Turns out Wilder was robust enough below 220 to take a licking and still have power enough to end the fight even after that gruelling spell.

We could speculate about what would've happened if Wilder were carrying around an extra 15lbs of muscle tonight. I know you'd argue that it would've been to his benefit, but there are also arguments that can be made to suggest that it would've been to his detriment.

Fact of the matter is, 214lb Wilder got 'er done.

 

Wilder said during prefight interview the 214 lb weight was due to him getting sick during training. Helluva time to disclose it. It made it seem like he had a built in excuse ready in case he took the L. Whether you like or hate his on camera character he's obviously very fun to watch when the bell rings

 

I'm not too bothered, I'm quite sure 214 Wilder was ill and hell be back in the 220's his next fight, he looked terrible leading up to and at the weigh-in.