I'm saying it now, Wilder is the hardest hitting HW of all time.

Lol I am going on and on about Chuvalo? I said he had a great chin not he had great power or anything else. Can you read? The best Amatuer boxing program at heavyweight for years were the American program. Which is why most heavyweights for 40 plus years were American. That still has nothing to do with being a good amateur and being a good pro. Not being stopped as a amatuer and being stopped as a pro are 2 different things. Duane Bobick was a good amatuer but what happened when you hit him as a pro? He beat Larry Holmes as a amatuer. Do you think he would beat a pro Larry Holmes?

You have already embarssed yourself. You are just repeating dumb stuff you heard somebody else say. Maybe you should be a basketball fan and leave boxing to people who understand it. This sport is clearly too much for you.

 

Let me ask you a question. Was your mom on drugs before she had you? Who the hell did Ortiz beat kid? He beat Bryant Jennings. That is it. So how does that sit him apart of Sam Peter? As I said Peter knocked down Wlad a 3 times and almost beat him. Wlad is far superior and fought fought Superior fights than what Wilder faced. I don't think I will waste my time even typing to you anymore. You clearly don't know anything about boxing. You are one of these people who thinks they know what they are talking about and brings up hilarious funny points to try to prove your point. I am done, you don't deserve to type to me anymore. Blocked.

 

Yet he has yet to kill anybody in the ring. So I guess they all survived his power. At the end of the fight a fat washed up Chris Arreola was still on his feet. Old fat bum Bermaine Stervene went 12 with him in their first fight. Neither Chris or Bermaine are known for having legendary chins. Guys like Oliver, McCall, Tua, Foreman, Chuvalo would of walked through his punches like they were nothing.

 

Ali survived a lot more than Frazier, and cherry picking some of his earlier career moments isn't really making the point. Holmes was tough as nails, and the fact that he could actually box on top of that shouldn't be held against him. You don't have to eat hard shots on the regular to be classified as tough.

 

Do you know what durable means kid? If you want to use your logic Mayweather is the most durable fighter ever. He was rarely knocked down and he never lost. Durable means you can take a lost of punishment. Ali only took punishment from Frazier who wasn't a big time puncher for heavyweight standards. Ali got hit a decent amount of time by Leon Spinks but Spinks wasn't a big puncher. Larry Holmes was never durable. Name one fight where Holmes was hit constantly by a huge puncher and wasn't hurt by their attack. It never happened

 

Thank God that's over.

 

Wilder deliberately does that. He plays it safe and waits to unload when he feels comfortable. Washington and Ortiz come to mind.

Duhapaus is a durable punching bag so that was a different scenario.

 

Such a poorly reasoned argument that I don't know where to begin. Peter is better than Ortiz because Wlad, the man he hurt but lost to, is better than Wilder, the man Ortiz hurt but lost to? Do you have any idea how many absurd propositions this logic leads to? And by the way, 2005 Wlad still was nowhere near the fighter he eventually became, as the recent stoppage losses to Brewster and Sanders make clear. You argument here really raises questions about whether you actually watch much boxing.

As I've written in other threads, I think it's pretty silly to judge a fighter's power solely based on the overall abilities of the men on his ko list. So many other factors influence that just as much than raw power... This should be obvious but you're not alone: a shocking number of people in this forum seem not to understand this.

The best way to get a sense of a fighter's power is by watching him punch. Ortiz has superb power because he clearly hits very, very hard. It's really that simple. It may be more obvious to me than it is to you because I've actually watched a number of his fights, including one that I caught live. And yes, he stopped a strong, well-conditioned Bryant Jennings who had gone 12 with Wlad. I can't remember whether Jennings had ever even been down before.

Sure, but his amateur pedigree alone should tell you that he's not just some unskilled plodder...even if you haven't watched (m)any of his actual fights.

Nonsense.

 

I am not talking, I am typing so I don't sound like anything. Second as I said kid being a good amatuer doesn't equate to being a good pro. 3rd what did Ortiz do as a pro that would make him better than Sam Peter? Again beat Bryant Jennings? 4th Ortiz hits hard because he hits hard? Yeah that makes a lot of sense. He has never knocked out a world class fighter but because you the internet guy says he hits hard and he looks like he punches hard to you then he does? Wlad couldn't hurt Ross Purrity and yet Cleveland Woods knocked out Purrity in 1 round. So does taht mean Woods is a huge puncher and or a bigger puncher than Wlad?

Wlad didn't become a better right? Yet became a better running and avoided fighting guys he knew he couldn't beat. His style became jab, jab and hold. If you think that is becoming a better fighter then you don't know a thing about boxing. Well clearly you don't know a thing about boxing. In any Ortiz has done nothing in his career so far to make him better or even equal to anything Ortiz has done. Knocking down a 27 year old prime Wlad and almost beating him is better than Ortiz beating Byrant Jennings and David Allen.

 

Agree, Wilder is an "outlier." Besides having fight changing power, he is quick, mobile, tall and rangy. He does things that his opponents don't expect. He moved to his right a lot on Ortiz, something most don't recommend against a southpaw, but he and Breland worked on that in training videos that were posted. Maybe there is a method to Wilder's madness, Wilder might not be as wild as most believe. Maybe Breland or somebody just realizes that Wilder has power, speed, and length that allow him to do things different and a lot of the "wild" things Wilder does are practiced?

Wilder doesn't cross his feet, he bends his knees, he has the basics, he just does some things that most boxers don't do. The unconventional moves are working for him because he is an "outlier." But, with Fury, Joshua, Povetkin, Usyk, Gassiev, Parker, and the numerous talented amateur stars just starting their pro careers, it's just going to get tougher and tougher.

 

This really isn't worth a reply as you're basically just repeating yourself (again), so I'll keep it brief.

1) I'm no kid.
2) Ortiz does literally damn near everything a boxer can do as good as or better than Peter (and I rate Peter more highly than many folks around here). I'd give Peter an edge in one-punch power, which is no slight to Ortiz, and maybe physical strength, but that's about it.
3) I'm confused by what you're trying to accomplish with your Wlad-Purrity-Woods example. If anything, it undermines your argument and shows why it's silly to judge punching power by the names of the scalps on one's resume. Nobody considers Puritty to be an ATG puncher, even though he vanquished a man widely considered an ATG heavyweight champion. Nobody considers Woods to be a better puncher than Wlad, even though he did better against a common opponent.
4) Manny's big gifts to Wlad were helping him with his pacing, and helping him become harder to hurt. That made him a better fighter. He was still a work in progress in the first Peter fight.

 

Looking at it from my perspective I would think Wilder could be better using more conventional methods. With his length, movement, and power maybe he could be a bigger, harder hitting Larry Holmes? But maybe Breland has seen things in the gym that convinced him otherwise OR maybe Wilder just won't fight that way?