I'm saying it now, Wilder is the hardest hitting HW of all time.

Yeah he does hit hard, at 6'7 214 lbs. You're right...I've always said that at about 180 pounds, the game changes in regard to punching power and especially when you get to about 200 pounds. A man 180-200 pounds who can hit really hard can KO any man of any size.

 

First You have the IQ of a kid though.

Second maybe you can't read. I didn't ask your opinion on what you thought Ortiz did better than Peter. I said who did Ortiz beat that was better than what Peter beat. Wait nobody.

Third you brought up Wlad not being to knock down Bryant and Ortiz knocking down Byrant to try to prove your point. I brought up that Woods knocking down Purrity when Wlad couldn't does not mean Woods is a elite puncher.

4th Wlad didn't become a better fighter once Manny became his trainer. Wlad fought low level opponents and just ran from them. He still got tired after a few rounds and he still couldn't take a punch. No trainer fan fix your chin. Wlad would of still lost to Sanders, Purrity and even Lamon Brewster again ( You know Brewster wasn't even allowed to fight in the USA at the time Wlad beat him the second time because of injuries).

So as I said as a pro Ortiz has proved nothing besides he could beat David Allen and Bryant. Wilder as a proved nothing besides he could beat fat, slow, unskilled overrated guys like Ortiz, Bermaine Steverne and other out of shape or no talent guys. If this impresses you then good for you.

 

Lol if a 180 pound man who can hit hard can knockout modern sizd heavyweights then there would be no such thing as a cruiserweight division.

 

I think Wilder is doing the right thing given his limitations. He has better legs and power than just about anyone, but is devoid of infighting skills and natural fighter’s reflexes. If he engages he can be knocked out since he doesn’t have a feel for boxing like Bhop, Toney, and guys who entered the gym as 9 year olds.

Not engaging with dangerous opponents and then unloading later in the fight when they start to tire is a great strategy for him.

 

He avoids physical fights. He threw Ortiz around a little but not until late.

 

To be fair, fighters that size don't get to test their punching power against modern size heavies, so we can't know. But when they did, it's not like super sized heavies were impervious to hard hitting cruiser sized heavies. For the most part, I'm not so convinced that all but the top modern heavies are better or any more durable than the heavies of yesteryear.

And I'm not just talking about top level pro boxing, either. A regular man who's between 180-200 pounds and can hit relatively hard can punch out any regular man of any size.

 

His slapping punches without any power at all doesn't help him. He also doesn't have any defence except keeping the distance (which he does well). But so far his one punch power has bailed him out.

But he has faced all of two top 10 ranked (by The Ring) opponents so far.

 

Wilder is muscular though, but it's that wiry, lean muscle.

 

Like punching power, the game changes with physical strength at 180-200 pounds. An extremely strong man in that weight range can be as strong as much bigger guys

 

Right this is a boxing forum. I am not talking about two unskilled guys in the street just throwing punches. I mean in a boxing ring. You are just giving your opinions. I told you a fact, if 180 pound fighters could knock out 230 pound elite modern fighters they wouldn't have created a cruiserweight division. I can tell you are one of those delusional people who still think Marciano a 180 pound cruiserweight could beat modern sized heavyweights.

What happened to Bob Foster when he moved up and tried to fight even smaller heavyweights like Joe Frazier? His power was completely ineffective. You know why? Because there are weight classes for a reason. There is nobody above logic. The odds of a 180 pound fighter knocking out a modern elite 6'3 plus 230 pound fighter is so slim that you have a better chance of hitting the lotto than that happening.

 

The fact that you are a fan of a child molester who beat up women like Jack Lamotta shows what kind of character you have. Show me a 180 pound fighter who is known to be strong at that size pushing around a 230 plus pound heavyweight who is known to be strong.