I'm saying it now, Wilder is the hardest hitting HW of all time.

He was? Where did you get this from?

 

I agree I think Wilder is getting undersold on this board...he has all the tools he shows up in shape, he CAN box if needed as he showed in the first Stiverne fight, he is wiry strong, he can take punishment, he does talk alot of B.S. at times but most of what he says is fairly blunt and even modest in some ways I think he is an honest guy and says what he means.....most importantly in his fights? he doesn't quit when the going gets tough. Wilder beat a much ducked fighter in #4 heavyweight Ortiz a fighter with a serious pedigree, size and power and if his next fight is the Russian Tyson in #5 Povetkin.

Highlighted in relative colors are the champs and whom they have beaten on the top 10 world class level....what is missing is Joshua's fight with Klitchko and Wilders fights with Stiverne who was a top 10 fighter during the first fight but I would argue he was spent in the rematch I would also argue that Wilder beat the fight out of him in the first fight as well. As far as fights against the better opposition clearly AJ is ahead and certainly has been better promoted but IMO Wilder is a live underdog in a H2H if not even betting....he has some unseen intangibles that IMO allow him to fight in a less traditional style and still win. If these two keep fighting the guys they are slated to fight the top 10 will have been beaten by these two and will set up a superfight.

I copied ESPN's top 10
Here is how ESPN sees the top ten heavyweights

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (UNLIMITED)

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Joshua, the 2012 Olympic super heavyweight gold medalist and unified world titleholder, is one of the biggest sports stars in the United Kingdom and has a chance to become the biggest star in all of boxing. In April, he sent former longtime champion Wladimir Klitschko into retirement with an 11th-round knockout loss in the leading fight of the year candidate before 90,000 at sold-out Wembley Stadium in London. When Klitschko retired rather than execute his right to an immediate rematch, Joshua faced late replacement Carlos Takam, of France, on Oct. 28 before an indoor boxing record crowd of 78,000 at Principality Stadium in Cardiff, Wales, where he won by 10th-round knockout. Next up is likely to be a unification fight with New Zealand's Joseph Parker (24-0) on March 31 at Principality Stadium in what will be another huge fight.
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Wilder has scored knockouts in all six of his title defenses, including on Nov. 4 when he utterly destroyed former titlist Bermane Stiverne with three hard knockdowns in the first round. Stiverne is the only man to go the distance with Wilder when he lost the title to him in 2015, but he couldn't make it through three minutes in the rematch, which came about only when original opponent Luis "King Kong" Ortiz tested positive for two banned substances and was dropped from the fight. After the fight, Wilder continued to call out for a unification with Anthony Joshua (20-0), but it is likely that now that Ortiz (28-0) has been reinstated they will reschedule that bout for the spring.
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3. Joseph Parker (24-0)
On Sept. 23, New Zealand's Parker traveled to Hughie Fury's hometown of Manchester, England and won a majority decision in a dreadful fight to retain his world title for the second time. There have been several options mentioned for Parker's next bout, including a possible unification match with Anthony Joshua (20-0), a fight with two-time Australian drug cheat Lucas Browne (25-0), a trip to China to face Zhang Zhilei (18-0, 14 KOs) or potential fight in Las Vegas against Bryant Jennings (22-2, 11 KOs). However, more and more it appears as though the unification fight with Joshua will be made for this spring.
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Cuban defector Ortiz has twice failed drug tests for banned substances, including one that cost him a Nov. 4 for shot at titleholder Deontay Wilder. However, the WBC accepted his story that the bad test was because he was taking medication to regulate his blood pressure and he was reinstated, though he remains suspended by another sanctioning body. He returned from a 13-month layoff on Dec. 8 and smashed journeyman Daniel Martz in a second-round knockout win, after which Wilder (39-0), who was ringside, entered the ring. They argued WWE-style and Wilder promised to give him the fight. They'll probably meet in the spring.
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5. Alexander Povetkin (33-1)
Former secondary titlist Povetkin, of Russia, had two fights in 2016 canceled because he tested positive for banned substances, a title shot against Deontay Wilder and an eliminator against Bermane Stiverne. Yet, Povetkin has not had any kind of significant punishment from a sanctioning body or athletic commission. He won both of his bouts in 2017, including a near-shutout decision against Germany's Christian Hammer on Dec. 15 in a title eliminator that positioned him for a mandatory fight with unified titleholder Anthony Joshua.
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6. Kubrat Pulev (25-1)
Bulgaria's Pulev, who got knocked out in a title shot against then-world champion Wladimir Klitschko in November 2014, has since won four in a row. On Dec. 3, Pulev's first fight in his home country, he hammered washed-up, out-of-shape former titlist Samuel Peter for three rounds. Peter quit with an apparent arm injury just after the bell rang to begin the fourth round. Pulev returned for his fifth win in a row, also at home, as he rolled to a near-shutout decision against journeyman Kevin Johnson on April 28 to remain in position as one of Anthony Joshua's mandatory challengers. He was due to face him on Oct. 28 but suffered a shoulder injury, forcing him to withdraw from the fight and costing him his mandatory position.
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Whyte, the former British champion, outpointed former world title challenger Dereck Chisora in an epic slugfest that was one of the best fights of 2016 on Dec. 10. The victory was Whyte's fourth in a row since a knockout loss to Anthony Joshua in December 2015, and he deserves another meaningful fight. He returned from an eight-month layoff to hammer journeyman Malcolm Tann, dropping him four times in en route to a third-round knockout victory on Aug. 19 on the Terence Crawford-Julius Indongo undercard. Whyte has been calling out Deontay Wilder for a title shot, but his wide decision win against Finland's Robert Helenius in a snoozer on the Oct. 28 Joshua-Carlos Takam undercard wasn't the kind of showing to make anyone demand that fight. When injured David Haye withdrew from his Dec. 17 rematch with Tony Bellew, Whyte said he was willing to take the fight on short notice, but that match isn't going to happen.
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A 2012 U.S. Olympian, Breazeale gave a good account of himself in a seventh-round knockout loss challenging Anthony Joshua for his world title in June 2016 and bounced back to stop previously undefeated Izuagbe Ugonoh in the fifth round of a hellacious see-saw battle on Feb. 25 in a fight of the year candidate. He was slated to face former titlist Bermane Stiverne on the undercard of Deontay Wilder's Nov. 4 fight but when Luis Ortiz was bounced from the main event for a positive drug test, Stiverne was moved up to the main event to face Wilder, leaving Breazeale to face replacement opponent and former two-time world title challenger Eric Molina. Breazeale took care of business, knocking him out in the eighth round.

9. Jarrell "Big Baby" Miller (20-0-1)
New York's Miller has a big body, a big punch and a big personality. After finally settling a dispute with promoter Dmitry Salita, "Big Baby" returned from an 11-month layoff and took on the best opponent of his career, former world title challenger Gerald Washington. Miller laid a beating on him and stopped him in the eighth round on July 29. Miller made his HBO debut on Nov. 11 in what amounted to an audition for a possible shot at titlist Anthony Joshua and stopped former title challenger Mariusz Wach in the ninth round.
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France's Takam is just 2-2 in his last four fights but he gave excellent accounts of himself in both losses, a decision to Joseph Parker in the fight before Parker won a world title and then on Oct. 28 in a 10th-round stoppage challenging Anthony Joshua for his two world titles. Takam probably would give anyone a tough night.

 

That’s a strange attempt to take away from what was clearly a one-punch KO.
As Foreman can be heard stating on HBO’s Legendary Nights: The Tale of Foreman - Moorer...

“I had no intentions of throwing out my power at him in the first, second or third round... ...and my intentions were to extend him and make certain that, when I hit him with one shot, he would not get up.”

And, that’s what he did.

I wonder how many more one-punch KOs could be invalidated using the logic you have?

 

well also Hearns had 163 amateur fights, how many does WIlder have? That helps a guy, since Hearns had more experience all around. You are saying he is like Hearns without Hearns amateur experience..

 

I don't put the 70s heavyweights on a pedestal either and IMO, the 70s hywts, just as they were, if they were put into a time machine wouldn't be special today. I'd pick Ortiz over any of the 70s heavyweights, particularly since he is a southpaw. Wilder beat Ortiz but I wouldn't necessarily pick Wilder to beat the rest of the current heavyweights. Wilder vs. Joshua, Parker, Fury, Povetkin, Usyk, Gassiev, etc. are toss up fights to me.

 

I'm not disputing Wilder has power either.

I won't pretend to have any idea who Wilder would or wouldn't knock out if he lands his best shots. How could anyone?

 

He had a 30-5 amateur record and his lack of fundamentals shows how short his amateur pedigree is however at least half those fights were against top comp and he has had twice the professional fights at pro as AJ and that is alot of learning fights before he pushed into contention. He certainly had a natural aptitude to win enough fights to be invited to the US team boxoffs and then talented enough to take a bronze in the Olympics in Beijing. I have said this before AJ had a 40-3 amateur record but his progression to higher levels was faster due to partly talent, amateur pedigree at a higher level longer leading to an Olympic Gold and his management team took him a little faster into world class level opposition.

 

I believe that could be incorrect. Young was a replacement against Roy Williams for sure.

 

I disagree. Ortiz is pretty stiff, slow, and his stamina isn't ready for 15 rounds. Malik Scott took him the distance through running. I have a feeling Young, Quarry, and definitely Ali could beat him if they box. Ortiz seriously lacks agility and that's important in a combat sport. Could you imagine if he was in a slugfest with Foreman? I would choose Ortiz over Norton maybe but only because of styles. Lyle could probably beat him too. That guy was tough and could box as well as punch. Frazier was another guy who was hard to take out, matter of fact the only guy to do so was Foreman and he punched in high volume during the start of a fight. Ortiz doesn't do that. He might have Foreman level power but he doesn't have the style.

 

So here we go; a supposed new member who comes right out fighting and calling names? So who is missing that has a new name? This forum is worthless because of this garbage. Does anyone know of other forums?

 

I've seen it claimed he was a last minute sub against Shavers on here but Boxing in Philadelphia said he was a "last minute substitute" vs Williams. They made no such claim regarding Young - Shavers despite going into much more depth about the fight. First women judge in boxing history for Shavers - Young.