With the Ortiz victory, does Deontay Wilder already surpass both Klitschko bros on the ATG list?

if wilder ever dreamed of beating Wlad he better wake up and apologize. As matter fact he did after sparring and Wlad gave him a cake lol

 

Ortiz is in his 50's. He is older than both Klit brothers.

 

Sultan Ibragimov > Luis Ortiz all day long.

Wladimir Klitschko beat prime Sultan Ibragimov at his best. Whilst Deontay Wilder beat a washed up, gran dad version of Luis Ortiz with high blood pressure.

Sultan Ibragimov is 1 inch shorter than Luis Ortiz. His reach is 2 inches shorter. However, he is significantly faster. Hits just as hard. Is far more elusive. Has defeated prime Evander Holyfield And Shannon Briggs who was juiced up at the time. Both better opponents than anybody Luis Ortiz beat. There's no contest whatsoever!

Sultan Ibragimov would school Luis Ortiz and toy with him. Outside of all the hype, Ortiz is really not that much better than Shannon Briggs.

Even Calvin Brock could arguably beat Luis Ortiz.

Corrie Sanders is also much faster and with equal power, if not even more. And also possesses similar dimensions as Luis Ortiz.

An argument can also be made that Kubrat Pulev > Luis Ortiz.

Luis Ortiz is getting grossly overrated now. Especially the version that fought Wilder with blood pressure whilst being in bad physical condition and whilst being extremely old to compete at the highest level.

 

No he hasn’t.

 

I hate your guts! But, I have to agree with you on this one. In order for Wilder to come close to the Klit bros, he needs to beat the top heavies and most contenders for another 8 years. Until then, he is far behind them on the ATG list.

 

Pretty sure he surpassed them both when he beat Audley Harrison.

 

Wilder can never go ahead of Wlad, Vitali or even Haye.

He ducked all three.

 

Mods, please make this thread a sticky.

You can delete all the CST80 stuff if you need room.

 

Erm no. Sultan Ibragimov fought a better version of Wladimir Klitshcko during Wlad's prime and did a better job against Wladimir Klitschko. He also landed more LEGITIMATE punches and didn't need to bull rush Wladimir Klitschko like a rugby / NFL football player with his head like how Bryant Jennings did. Bryant Jennings did very little offensively against Wladimir Klitschko that was legitimate or effective.

Sultan Ibragimov > Bryant Jennings or Luis Ortiz

Sultan Ibragimov beat Evander Holyfield and Shannon Brigs. That = anything Luis Ortiz or Byrant Jennings ever achieved.

 

Let us know when Wilder actually cleans up the heavyweight division. Becomes the lineal champion and becomes the undisputed best heavyweight in the world. And stays on top of the heavyweight division as the number 1 heavyweight for at least a decade. Until then, he is not even worthy enough to hold Wladimir Klitschko's jock strap.

 

Sanders would have destroyed Wilder.

 

He's not even worthy of holding the jockstrap of the guy who holds Wlad's jockstrap.

 

Sultan Ibragimov > Luis Ortiz!

Corrie Sanders > Luis Ortiz!

Odlanier Solis > Luis Ortiz!

Kubrat Pulev = Luis Ortiz (at the very least)!

Prime David Haye > Old, washed up Luis Ortiz with high blood pressure!


This isn't even a contest!

 

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