Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

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Is Canelo Alvarez deliberately cheating?

  1. Canelos a clean fighter

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  2. Clenelo is juicing

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  3. Who gives a flying ****??

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  1. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You don't know wtf you are typing so stfu.
     
  2. tdf1974

    tdf1974 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i rest my case
     
  3. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Let's enlarge your brilliance and flat out lie.

     
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  4. N17

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    I think you slightly confusing two issues, being over the alcohol limit isn't a problem unless you get in a car and start it for example.

    If alcohol was illegal or banned then traces in your system mean you've done something wrong somewhere along the line.

    Athletes can't take banned substances in or out of competition, there is a list for a reason, that's why there is 365 days a year testing.

    You're making it sound likes its OK to have this in your system in small amounts (traces) and it isnt, that's why it's on a banned list and that's why Canelo tested positive and we now have all this.

    If it wasn't a real problem or issue for Canelo we wouldn't have heard a thing about it, and if somehow somebody made an issue of it then there would have been a statement saying "no, complete rubbish, under the accepted limit".

    I haven't seen anything like that, all I've seen is some say "it's consistent with meat contamination".

    That doesn't mean it happened like that or it was an accident, they are basically saying it could be the reason, it's a possibility.. but then there are other possibilities and they have to be looked at too.
     
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  5. tdf1974

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    Do you have any experience with Clen ?

    dosages?
    side effects?
    how long it stays in blood etc?
     
  6. tdf1974

    tdf1974 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What part of that is a lie?
     
  7. Flamazide

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    Ah, that.

    [url]https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/14/482010754/what-does-it-take-to-get-a-drug-banned-for-enhancing-athletes-performance[/url]

    What criteria do your scientists use when deciding whether to ban a drug?

    Our decision to ban a drug is about more than just performance enhancement. That is one consideration, yes. But we also consider whether the drug could harm the health of the athlete and whether taking the drug goes against the spirit of sport. Two of these three criteria must be satisfied for a drug to make it onto the prohibited list. There are some substances where all three criteria are fulfilled. The hormone [url]EPO[/url], for example, is clearly performance enhancing. [It boosts production of red blood cells.] EPO clearly has a risk for health. And, of course, some athletes take it to get an edge.

    Also like some posters here said it can be political at times and sometimes it can be a genuine mistake. You have to understand that the testing is never on equal terms with the drugs and they have to be reactive. Because of that and the nature of sports itself (health hazards if the competition is unfair in a lot of cases) sometimes they don't actually have time to really research these things. Also the drugs themselves haven't had adequate research done into them because is a very long time. I'm talking 5+ years while the product is still available to be purchased. Then you have what are called designer drugs where the "research" there is completely independent. That's what WADA is competing against. That is a big reason why a lot of **** on the banned substance list doesn't actually increase your performance.
     
  8. lobk

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    They aren’t banning the substance from every sport just because they want too. Expert such as Victor Conte have already weighed in on what it can be used for.
     
  9. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    No reason to make Clenbuterol legal, just punish those found with it in their system.
    Canelos case for example is not involving a journeyman fighter who barely earns enough to put food on the table, so might need to buy cheapo mexican beef supposedly injected with clen.
    This is a multimillionaire athlete supposedly at top of the boxing hierarchy, who one hopes would be wary of what he was consuming, and only buying the best food available.

    If Clenbuterol is in your sample you should get hit with a massive penalty, if Canelo got such a penalty, i bet the number of positive results for Clen in samples in future would drop dramatically. Zero tolerance means zero excuses.
     
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  11. The Akbar One

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    The Meldonium ban was political. They knew plenty of Russians were using it. Hard to believe it was even banned with the lack of data, supporting that it is a performance enhancer. Not saying it is or isn't but scientifically not enough study was done to come to a valid scientific conclusion. There was a hell of a lot of politically tinged speculation with that one.
     
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  12. str1

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    CLEN should be legal only of you are Mexican because it comes in the meat. If you aren't Mexican you are cheat. Plain and simple! CLENelo will get the nod to continue eating that special steak.
     
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  13. tdf1974

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    exactly....no way someone like Canelo would be busted for Clen.

    can you imagine the undetectable fat burners his people can get?

    Lets get it straight,Canelo has 99.9% had PEDs but a trace of clen is not what pumped him up to middleweight
     
  14. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    im no expert on this but I think I can smell BS when I see it and this tainted meat thing is just that.
    From what I’ve read you’d have to steak from an animal that had been recently given the meds’ and killed which is stupid as you’re not gonna give it meds’ then kill it are you.
    Second point from what I’ve seen is that the amount of meat you’d have to eat to get it to show is a lot and in Canelos case he said he doesn’t much red meat anyway and none at all when training so it’s a psy op excuse is all.
     
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  15. BoboFett

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    The only problem I have with it being tainted meat is the amount. Cyclist Contador tested positive for the same banned substance. He said he ate contaminated meat on July 20th, on July 21st he was tested and that test came out to 50 picograms. The letter that was sent by VADA said Canelos first positive sample was .6 nanograms, which if converted is 600 picograms.
     
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