Pick the worst 40-0 record .

40 fights in THREE years.... Context and situational facts matter. He was fighting at world level 4 years or so into his career. Chavez was also dirty poor, early on he was fighting largely just to put food on the table.

 

How many fighters have you developed? Trained? Managed? Led to world titles? Helped to maintain at a top level for years?
You talk a bunch of noise in very strong language. What is the basis for your expertise?

 

sparring rounds far outnumber the rounds put into fighting bums.

but fighting bums requires sparring prep, obviously. so, chickenwings n roundabouts i guess i concede that.

 

I'm not sure what the enormous stigma seems to be. Your man George took it mostly very easy for his first 37. Many criticize him for it.

I say he must have been doing something right

 

No, Foreman has taken plenty of stick on here for his pre Frazier opposition. I hope Chok doesn't see this

At no point did i say he was worse than Chavez.

Lets have a look at George in comparison to his peers Ali and Frazier and a successor in Holmes.

George fought Frazier in his his 37th fight.

Ali by then had fought Liston x 2, Patterson, Chuvalo, Williams, Terrell, Folley, Quarry, Bonavena, Frazier, Ellis etc etc etc. 9 or so title defenses and much much more way before 37 fights.

Frazier had 37 fights in his entire career so we don't have to dwelve into who he'd fought by 37 fights - all of them.

Holmes had 9 or so defenses under his belt by then as well.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

 

There's a few reasons for that. Maybe he had bills and needed the cash flow between fights? It could be that you are correct; they were padding his record so that, 25 years later, people could argue online and use those extra victories to prove that Chavez was better than somebody else.

Or there is a slight chance that Chavez and the people around him knew what it took to keep him on top of his game and prepared to fight numerous world class opponents while defending his world titles. But I'm sure you would know more about that.

By the way, boxrec is lacking in accuracy when it comes to fights in Mexico. I know one guy that has four more fights than they show, another is missing three. Look up Eliseo Cosme: they have him at 9-9 but apparently he was good enough to beat Albert Davila and go ten with Salvador Sanchez. For a long time they had his pro debut as a 7th round too of a 30-3-1 fighter.

 

Grey, you hit the nail on the head. Most people take boxrec for gospel. It is not and they will acknowledge that themselves. But many will see 'debut' and think he really is having his first fight. That is simply what it says when they have no record of an earlier fight. I personally have helped out boxrec many times with corrections or discovering unrecorded fights and 99% of them are for Mexican fighters. Mexico has a horrible track record on recording fights or recording them under the fighter's alias. For instance, on one fighters record they showed a 'debuting' fighter under his nickname. I was lucky enough to find his real name and once I informed boxrec, 19 of his fights appeared. I find it to be a phenomenal search engine - one we would be lost without - but it is still a work in progress.

 

A better question is who has the worst resume after TEN years as a pro. The Answer is Wilder.

4 years into his career, Julio Cesar Chavez fought for the WBC super featherweight title.

 

Remember Nino LaRocca?

 

I know Chavez is your personal whipping boy but c'mon, man, why do you dislike him so much that you get personal with anyone who suggests he might be, you know, actually a great fighter? I don't get it.