were hatton and calzaghe overrated

Well we'll have to agree to disagree my good man.

 

That’s fine. Back to the main point. Hatton was not so much overrated but he had a passionate following which can sometimes overrate a fighter. I think he was really good and who can forget his win over Tyzu that night he was r all a force of will. His devastating knockout losses to Mayweather and in particular Pacquiao obscure his true standing I believe. He was excellent at 140 pounds. As for Super Joe Calzaghe I don’t think we truly know how good he was as some of his opposition was forgetful but like Andre Ward he retired unbeaten.

 

Can't believe the amount of grief Hatton is getting on here.

Blokes a legend. He's all grit, blood, sweat and tears and only has a forward gear. What's not to like?

Who gives a flying plum if he's not as good as Mayweather or Paq? Newsflash - neither 99% of boxers.

 

Well said. He had skills too, he wasn't a typical upright rangy British boxer. It took elite fighters to beat him, I don't understand why that constitutes being overrated. I said on earlier post it's down to perception, if you think Hatton is all time elite fighter then he's overrated but I think the consensus is what you said, a world class fighter who fell short of elite & last to HOF fighters. No shame in that.

Calzaghe IMO was the better of the two as more complete as a fighter but I wouldn't say Hatton was overrated.

 

Witter boxed a 4 x 3s then took the Judah fight at 9 days notice. FW was promoting Hatton at the time - why didn't he take it? He lost a split decision to Bradley after a poor camp due to his father's grave illness.
Witter called out Hatton live on TV in October 2000. After that Hatton was happy to fight Jason Rowland, Eamonn Magee, lightweight Stephen Smith and a host of ageing foreign lightweights and super-feathers. FW offered the fight to Hatton but he wouldn't take it. He then claimed that the Witter fight had been written into his contract. Was he telling the truth?
After Hatton won a world title he then claimed he would fight Witter if he won a world title. Was he telling the truth?

 

Hatton could and perhaps should have fought Witter at some point. However, at most it's a footnote in the career of a guy who fought three sure fire Hall of Famers (four if you include Castillo), and around a dozen world titlists. From the point that Hatton fought Tszyu every fighter he faced for the rest of his career held a world title at some point.

Maybe Hatton didn't fancy Witter's style. Maybe he didn't think it stacked up from a risk/reward perspective. Maybe he just hated the guy and didn't want to give him his highest payday. Ultimately, it doesn't matter that much bearing in mind who Hatton did face over his career.

 

well hatton is the one who tried to take on atgs, and failed. he didnt mind losing as long he had tried.

joe didnt try, not anywhere near. he was afraid to lose his record. i think he wanted to be kept "unknow top ability" so that his fans and him could claim that he still "might" have it without putting in the effort of proving it. which is facetious.

 

this is, though good, the same as hatton picking up a title against maussa.

Hatton went on to beat elite KT who was just headin out of prime form, Joe went on to beat a one armed kessler.

Kosta was the greater win without a doubt, he was genuine, slightly past it, ATG, whereas kessler was a mere elite, 2 rungs down the ladder, and injured, by comparison.

Hatton was greater than joe.

 

Maybe, but that was a fight joe was meant to lose against the big bad American monster and was outstanding (in hindsight Lacey wasn't as good as thought or did joe just ruin him?)

 

he wasnt as good, since he did nothing good before or after except win a title (which with respect is still FAIRLY good even in these quadruple diluted title days!). Jeff had some world class attributes.

 

The reason the Witter fight never came off after his appalling fight against Judah was because he stank the joint out and nobody wanted to see him fight on TV....Infact I'm almost positive US TV black balled him.

I've already gone over that when Witter put his mighty KO streak together against African goat herders, Hatton was fighting legit top 10 guys and beating Tszyu.

When Witter finally won a title, Hatton was becoming a 2 weight world champion and fighting better opposition than Witter was at the time.

When Witter went on his epic title run of 2 defences against Morua and Harris, Hatton was fighting Castillo and Mayweather.

When Witter finally faced a legit threat in '08 in the shape of Bradley and lost, Hatton was facing Lazcano and Malignaggi.

In '09 Hatton got pole axed off Pacquiao....Witter was getting spanked off Devon Alexander.

 

Boom
Betty swallocks could not have put it any better
Hatton had theses mugs believing the wbu was a genuine world title
Tell a big enough lie and people will believe it


As for he hated him payday blah blah blah
Hatton as since invited witter down for some of his stable to spar and train with
Ummm
And a fighter not wanting to help another fighter earning aliving
Floyd should of said it to wicky
Haye should have said it to bellew
Joshua should say it to wilder
You see where this mentality leads to
As i said before don't claim shyte prove it

 

Bradley > lancazo Paulie
Anyone saying others wise dksab
Lancazo lol

 

Yes but Witter lost to Bradley, knocked down in the process.....Infact Bradley was an unknown talent up until that point, his only real standout opponent being Miguel Vasquez.

During Hatton's WBU reign he beat better fighters than Witter did during his title run.