Prime Tyson vs Wladimir Klitschko

You are a total clown. How is that for facts and objectivity?

 

Some bitter clown needing perma'd.

 

When has Tyson ever stopped an elite super heavyweight in 4 rounds?

 

You could argue when has he been in against a super heavy who is gun shy without his jab, little to no inside game, questionable chin etc etc

 

That was part Povetkin also. If Tyson steps forward Wlad should do just the same. His footspeed is his biggest strength in my opinion. Forward or backwards.

 

Being tactical should not be considered "gun shy".

What happens when little Mike doesn't get the stoppage in the early rounds?

What happens when he starts getting hit by the bigger, heavier handed man?

It's a great stylistic match up but Tyson loses to all elite super heavyweight fighters.

 

I agree. Mike was a flat track bully he'd cave possibly (although he did decision Ruddock etc) that's why he loose to Vitali but Wlad has different weaknesses and Tyson matches up to them well.
As for tactical depends on the fight, Wlad relying on the jab won him many fights but in some, he really needed to let his hands go and he wouldn't that wasn't tactics. That was fear that he'd get countered...He should have got Joshua out of there but he wouldn't let his hands go freely.
He had all the advantages Vs Ibragimov but limped to a decision.
Vs Fury Tyson negated the jab and Wlad didn't know what to do he hadn't looked so robotic in years
I understood why Wlad fought like he did but he could be so frustrating to watch at times. His natural size and reach advantages got him wins as well as being an excellent athlete.

 

Well you actually have to know about the match to actually explain this too you of why Klitchko forces a K.O on himself.....its BC Tyson is FAR better than anyone Wlads fought not including Joshua....and he wouldnt play around with power punchers he would go right in on him.

Had Tyson fought Ruddock , Bruno or Douglas with Rooney in his corner ,they all don't see round 4. Had Tyson fought anyone he lost too with Rooney while in the 80's those losses don't happen.

Wlads key to win is only maintained through a jab, he's going to find arguably the hardest fighter to land a clean punch on a nightmare to actually defeat, he would try and hold on for dear life Tucker style...the Tucker who had a proven chin.

Tyson would hit him and Wlad would fold rather quickly unless as stated Tyson coasts. He was the best finisher at HW. Anyone relying on the jab will not win period.

 

I have a hard time not seeing one of those super-fast blistering prime Tyson hooks landing flush on Vlad's chandelier chin and putting him to sleep.

 

Soooo Tyson is far better than anyone not including Joshua...is that the Joshua who fought a 41yo inactive Wlad and barely scraped by him....that one?

So your whole "Tyson wins" resides on the fact that Tyson is "far better than anyone Wlads fought, not including Joshua".....interesting breakdown.

As for Tyson v Bruno, Ruddock and Douglas not seeing rd 4 with Rooney that's actual a BIG IF.....what we do know is that they did.

 

Considering that prime Tyson was 10cm shorter than Povetkin, with 11cm shorter reach, it would be very difficult for him to land on Wlad. Klitschko likely neutralizes Tyson's offense in the early rounds and then starts landing big as Tyson gets tired later on. I'd pick Wlad by UD or late rounds KO.

 

Prime Mike Tyson was KO'ed by featherfisty Buster Douglas

And although Tyson's KO'loss has been described as "one of the most shocking upsets in modern sports history" it was NOT a fluke: It was because Iron Mike Tyson was in reality Tiny Mike Tyson (5'10'') (sometimes even written "Mike

there is one major feature that unites Tyson's non-KO opponents:



Mike Tyson's performance against taller opponents
Let's check what happened when Tyson met
BETTER+TALLER (i.e. > 6'3'')opponents:

• First time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
  ·Mitch Green (6'5.0'') –> UD10
• Second time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
  ·James Bonecrusher Smith (6'4.0'') –> UD10
• Third time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
  ·Tony Tucker (6'5.0'') –> UD12
• Fourth time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
  ·Buster Douglas (6'3.5'') –> Tyson gets KO'ed
• Sixth time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
  ·Lennox Lewis (6'5.0'') –> Tyson gets KO'ed
• Seventh time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
  ·Kevin McBride (6'6.0'') –> Tyson gets KO'ed

The ONLY time Tyson scored a knockout against a taller+better opponent was against ·Lou Savarese (46-6). But that was some strange KO (the referee jumped in way too fast in my opinion and additionally Tyson was lucky he wasn't disqualified) and Savarese came from a loss after a 1-year-layoff. So it's hardly a proof for "Tyson, the Goliath killer".

Yes, Tyson did KO guys taller than 6'3'', but they were all bums[?] like ·Conroy Nelson (21-14) or ·Eddie Richardson (14-21) or ·David Jaco (24-25). But there was no BoxRec back then thus nobody knew how bad these opponents actually were.

Other than that: As soon as the opponents got bigger+skilled Tyson failed. All your childhood memories of opponents flying to the left and right have to be adjusted to the truth: The opponents were either small or bummy or both ("Fly, bummy, fly!").

 

The longest Mike Tyson ever needed to KO someone
Already against bigger and not-so-good opponents Tyson had his difficulties:

Take for example ·James Tillis (42-22) who is mistakenly listed at 6'1'' (at boxrec) but was taller. Tillis ended Tyson's KO streak. And were it not for the unfortunate out-of-balance flash knockdown in round #4 Tillis might have even won against Tyson.

We are talking here about bummy James 'Quick' Tillis

• who has a real heavyweight record of 24-22
• who has KO'ed only 2 non-bums in his entire career
• who was KO'ed 11 times, including by Tommy Morisson (round 1), Cliff Couser (5'11'', Tyson's half brother) and featherfist Evander Holyfield.

Yet Mike Tyson had great difficulties against Tillis and won only by decision.



Let's take a look at Tyson's performances against other tall B-level fighters:

The longest Tyson ever needed to KO someone was ·Jose Ribalta, a 39-17 bum. Tyson needed 10 rounds against this china-chinned featherfist.

In fact Jose Ribalta was so chinny that NOBODY (of the 8 other opponents who KO'ed Ribalta) needed that long.

Jose Ribalta

• was KO'ed within 4 rounds by Chris Byrd
• was KO'ed within 2 rounds by Vitali Klitschko.
• was even KO'ed by 0-1 cruiser Ricardo Richardson 188 lbs.

Only Tyson needed 10 rounds.



The second longest KO came against ·Tyrell Biggs. It's astonishing that the oh-so-devastating Mike needed 7 rounds (2:59 in the 7th round) to KO someone

• as inexperienced as Biggs (15-0 at bout)
• who additionally was said to be an alcoholic and to have a cocaine problem
• who was a bum (30-10)
• and also a china-chinned featherfist

What was the reason for these slowest KOs of Tyson's career? Again, there is 1 feature that unites them both: Biggs and Ribalta were > 6'3'' thus too tall for Mike to play out his signature punches.