Joe Frazier competes in weight lifting contest

Well ticar I loaded beef at a meat packing house in which we loaded 44,500lbs per truck every 30 minutes I also lifted weights post boxing career and there were no big strong men there the ones who would work the summers were the big weightlifting football players and wrestlers etc...wrestlers and us full time year round guys could could work the weightlifter football players into the ground and the ones that stuck around eventually trimmed down from muscle overload.......you are confused with functional strength and weightlifting strength the WSM events are specialized events in which competitors train all year round for the event yes they are big and strong but they cannot maintain that strength and size while doing functional strength jobs that beats you up 8-12 hrs a day their not trained to do that they eat, sleep and train and usually have easy jobs....I live an hour from Brian Shaw he is a sponsored athlete who specializes in WSM events not working an arduous job day in and day out his muscle would never builx up with the overuse he would be the first to tell you that.....now let's not talk the steroids these guys are on and how unnatural their muscle and strength is.....you can buy the muscle but you have to earn the strength and endurance of a fighter or a laborer

Like I said go find a weightlifter and a wrestler lock up with both and tell me whose stronger.....you cannot weight train the type of muscle fiber has from years of wrestling nor the strength a fighter has in a ring. Either way a boxers strength in the ring can't be measured with weights I am certain that Frazier would have overpowered Conteh in the ring every time

 

You seem to know some things, but I disagree with your conclusions.

Brian Shaw would easily overpower any boxer, and by that I mean no boxing, no fighting, no wrestling... Just pushing each other or picking up heavy stuff.
He is one of the strongest man ever to walk the Earth, genetically gifted plus juice.
He would toy with heavy stuff that manual laborers find heavy.

There is no such thing like functional strength, just strength.

 

I don't disagree but I think the point about Frazier is his strength was tailored towards 15 x 3min rounds of fighting. Renowned for his work rate and stamina, any gains in overall maximum strength from weightlifting could negatively impact his performance. Given his physical flaws (eye, arm) I reckon Frazier made the most of his abilities and fulfilled his potential.

 

Some of the stronger men in the world have been in the WWF for quite a few years and yet get manhandled by former college wrestlers.....strongman ain't fighting it is lifting dead weight not live people....they do not do well in other sports if they were so gifted they would more than likely not settle for the paltry strongman winnings they would be in the NFL making 20 million dollar contracts...many if these so called strength athletes have tried fighting look at Mariusz Pud who has not been very successful in MMA fighting guys like Tim Sylvia whom submitted him who wouldn't know the inside of a weight gym if he saw it. Sports trainers disagree with your just strength however what we are saying is if Joe Frazier did not train for lifting he trained to work and fight and would suck at strongman the same goes for Shaw he is a strongman specialist not a wrestler or a boxer he would not have the stamina or the strength for what they either

 

Why would strength gains impact negatively?
He would be stronger in the clinch, hit harder, better at taking punches ...
Not saying that he needs to bulk up to 250 and lose some speed and stamina, but if you add quality 10-20 lbs with strength training on a peak 205 lbs Frazier I don't see how he wouldn't benefit...

 

Wrestlers manhandling strongman has to do with technique, body position and using leverages... Strength is only one part, very important one if they are both equally skilled but if one is way more skilled ... Strength cant help you much there.
But if a wrestler and strongman would have squared on each other and just push each other using no wrestling technique, just strength, strongman would have overpower him no doubt.
And wrestlers do lift weights, just look at Brock Lesnar

 

Because Frazier's game was based on sustained pressure and the extra muscle could curb his stamina levels.

Usually I'm a 'bigger is better' 'size matters' type when it comes to boxing and accept how important lifting weights can be for a fighter, but in the case of Joe Frazier with his style of relentless aggression I believe he would be better off as was rather than possibly compromising his gas tank for gains in strength. If he was around 20 years later fighting against bigger heavies over 12 rounds I would perhaps be singing a different tune.

 

I don't think 10-20 lbs of muscles while gaining a lot of strength would have such a negative impact.
Going by that logic, it would benefit him to lose some weight cause his stamina may improve.
I think all old school fighters would have benefit from quality strength training.
Imagine a 250-260 jacked young Foreman?

 

Frazier is a great example of functionally strong, opposite of the gym rats of today that think benching 400 pounds means they'll be able to punch through steel beams.

 

You don't think that Frazier would have punched harder if he had a 400 lbs bench?

 

I think it would be irelevent since benching isn't a explosive plyometric motion like punching. Anthony joshua scored a 930 psi on a punching machine while Marciano and Ali made a 1,000 Even little paquio scored a 870 and I'd imagine Anthony would double anything they'd bench. I'm not saying size doesnt matter but theres more that goes into punching power than just adding upper body strength

 

Why isn't Brian Shaw or the likes of him the Heavyweight champion of the world then ..making millions instead of chump change in Strongman. After all if its all about strength he should be able to get into the ring and take the belt.

 

A lot of people that are champion weightlifters can not fight, there is no doubt that frazier would beat the crap out of Arnold Schwarzenegger in fact the 1st left hook & down goes Arnold

 

Maybe he preferred not to be drooling into a cup at 50. And basketball was his first love. Who knows if he was ever exposed to combat sports.

That said, Shaw is country strong. He was good from the get. He only added to that inborn ability.

 

Thats not what i mean ..Ticar is basically saying strength beats everything so Shaw or Savicas or any of those cats should be HW champ by his criteria