Do you priortize effective aggression?

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Do your prioritize effective aggression?

  1. Yes, you're supposed to inflict maximum damage

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  2. No, pro boxing does not priortize aggression

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  1. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    You barely score fights, stop contradicting yourself please.
     
  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    There are 4 criteria, but 3 of them are essentially decided by the 4th: clean punches.

    What makes aggression effective? By clean punches landing.
    What makes defense effective? Clean punches not landing.
    What makes ring generalship effective? By putting someone in position to land clean punches.

    In terms of a "tie-breaker" criteria, I think ring generalship is a far more fair one because a fighter can be controlling the geography of the fight going forwards or backwards. If you know one fighter wants to stay off the ropes and is there most of the round with a roughly equal number of punches landed, you can give it to the guy pressing. If the opposite happens and the pressure fighter is following the other guy around the ring, then it's the other way around.

    In reality anyone giving the aggressor an edge is just adding to the rules and making up their own criteria.
     
  3. Devon Dog

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    Those that scored Eubank winning more rounds than he did against Groves were assuming effective aggresssion
     
  4. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Effective aggression is very important, who is making the fight? Just like Golovkin was the one making the fight against El Pollo, El Pollo's wing punches did not do it, in the rematch El Pollo will use his pecker to peck Golovkin to the testicles! Hopkins pretty much said it........................
     
  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Superb post, ring generalship is definitely underrated in regards to scoring the fight, mainly because I don't think many even understand what in means. A lot seem to mistake being the aggressor as being the better ring general which isn't true just like being the better defensive fighter doesn't make you the better ring general. It's about who is dictating how the fight is fought, the pace, where it's being fought in the ring, on the ropes or in the centre.
     
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  6. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    I would say 50%of my criteria is EFFECTIVE aggression

    25% goes to defense
    The remainder 25 goes to ring generalship.
     
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  7. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    Headgear doesnt even make a difference apart from preventing cuts. I think a shirt actually takes a fair bit of the STING off whipping body shots.
     
  8. BCS8

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    Yes.
     
  9. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Yes.


    1 - Effective Aggression
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    2 - Clean Punching (why I rate effective aggression over clean punching, is for me, effective aggression includes clean punching, whereas clean punching doesnt necessarily epitomize effective aggression in the sense Im talking about)
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    3 - Ring Generalship : I rate it above Defence because much like effective aggression encompass clean punching, to me good ring generalship encompasses good defense, whereas good defense doesnt necessarily epitomize good ring generalship.
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    4 - Defense
     
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  10. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Teak tough Full Member

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    You forgot clean punches.
     
  11. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Teak tough Full Member

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    This post hits the nail on the head.
     
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  12. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    yes, but marginally.

    my reasoning is that without someone advancing, theres no fight.
     
  13. scorecard12

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    I'm a licensed Judge.

    from your post Defence is first and I don't agree with that.

    I got by clean punches first. then effective aggression. ring generalship next and defence is last case to not score the round 10-10. lots of judges just pick one of those and that's why they sometimes have 10-10.

    the way most people score on here is they pick a favourite fighter, and if they feel in one of the 4 categories their fighter did better they score the round for them. Scoring only effective agression is what Harold Letterman does and that's why he has pacquiao nearly shutting out Bradley.
     
  14. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    Yeah but you also score hair and short styles.
     
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  15. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    no but i score humour, you get zero.


    s'why you go back on ignore.