Hagler on the Mugabi fight

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  1. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mugabi was clear-headed, but he was a beaten man. At first, he put his hands behind his head, the way we do when we are relaxing. Then, at five, he took a seated position. It was there he remained as referee Mills Lane tolled off the 10-count. Mugabi could have gotten up. He had nothing left. There was no reason to get up.

    Years later, Hagler told me, in a recap of his career, "If I ever came close to being stopped or to losing my title, it was against John Mugabi. The guy hit me harder and more often than anybody I ever fought."

    Mickey Duff, when asked about that night, said, "Against anybody else, Mugabi would have won, and probably won early. But Hagler was at his best that night, and when the best is at his best, there's not beating him."
     
  2. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Mickey Duff believed Hagler was at his best that night, more power to him.
     
  3. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hagler was on the decline when he fought Mugabi. Hagler 3-4 yrs earlier beats Mugabi without having to take the punishment he took that night and stops Mugabi earlier in my opinion . And that's no knock against Mugabi who was a helluva fighter, just not in prime Haglers league. Duff decided to gamble with Mugabi and fight possibly the best middle ever. In hindsite Mugabi should've remained at Jr.middle and win that title. The gamble he took didn't pay off, and fighting Hagler ruined Mugabi. He never showed the fire again he had prior to the Hagler fight.
     
  4. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both Hearns & Mugabi were basically Jr. MW's when they fought Hagler.
     
  5. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler was little more than that at 157-8 and both fighters especially Hearns had been floating around up in weight and fighting and beating middles since before he had fought SRL he beat Mike Colbert, before and Singletary, Geraldo and McCracken before he fought Benitez the first time I believe he had KO'd some middleweights prior and so had Mugabi.....he beat Frank Fletcher, James Hardrock Green, Curtis Jackson, Wilbert Johnson, Earl Hargrove before Hagler ....both fighters had already been testing the middleweight waters for quite a while.
     
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  6. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are probably right. (I wrongly default back to my 1940's / 1950's thinking re: MW's that fought for years at MW sometimes).
     
  7. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am not sure if I like the jrmiddle division as I feel that most fighters are either welterweights or middleweights Hagler was barely fighting over the jrmiddle limit and throughout history many middleweight champs were barely above the welterweights in the low 150's...the exapansion of the weight divisions seemed more like a money thing by the sanctioning bodies than safety for fighters.

    I also think part of the marketing issue with the Cruiserweights (the ony added division I felt made sense) for example is the name of the division I feel the heavies should be superheavies and the cruisers should be heavyweights
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'd sure love to pluck either "Jr. MW" from the spacetime continuum and put them in with Jermell Charlo today. :sisi1
     
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  9. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Epic fight. Hagler of the Sibson fight would have systemically broken down and stopped Mugabi in 6 rds. Taking nothing away from Mugabi but this was Hagler great last performance in a legendary career full of highlights.
     
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  10. BCS8

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    Hagler was in decline by then but people are underestimating Mugabi. Mugabi was a physical specimen with total belief in himself and he fought the fight of his life against Hagler. Mugabi came to win; he was certain he would win. Hagler just broke him mentally and physically like a dry stick. I feel Mugabi was never the same again. Probably shaved a couple of years of Hagler's life too.
     
  11. BCS8

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    I would freaking love to see Hagler vs Golovkin. Goddamn, that would be epic.
     
  12. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler was at his best? He had been inactive for a year since the Hearns fight and probably lost a little motivation. reaching what he always wanted in acclaim after Hearns.
     
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  13. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both were really 154 pound fighters, but they both punched so hard they could hurt middleweights. it is true that two guys who were campaigning at 154. Hurt and gave Hagler tougher fights than most. But Hearns and Mugabi were big punchers.
     
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  14. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duff was being kind to Mugabi by saying Hagler was at his best....I agree with your opinion he had hit the top of the mountain with Hearns and was sliding down in his career. But.....he had to step on the gas with Mugabi and fight hard to beat him....no matter how you slice it to do that kind of damage to Hagler it took some serious power and I would argue that his fighting through this adversity was his last great performance due to how long it took him to come alive. This is what SRL saw a content Hagler who had to dig deep to find the best in himself....MMH was not washed up he had gotten what he wanted his whole career in the Hearns fight as you pointed out he was not as driven anymore....

    The quote by the way is from a poster called the commish who had been the NY State boxing commissioner
     
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  15. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. Hagler really should have retired after Hearns. It was the last time he was really in shape and not rusty. But most fighters fight 2 or 3 fights too long. Leonard retiring after the 3rd Duran fight would have really been a great time for him. Hagler was so rusty against Mugabi.. But regardless, it was a great fight and John hit him with some big punches.
     
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