Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

WADA reversed their stance since they could not ascertain the half life of the drug, and that is on top of the cut off dates for detection that they already had in place. Basically, Wilder fled Russia before the smoke had even cleared. If he had stayed the fight could have continued on. I don't blame Wilder for splitting, its just he got back on that plane fast w/o taking names. That kinda speaks for itself.

 

GGG speaking a second language can be lost in translation. I hope he clarifies what he meant but I agree...it was out of bounds to call into question DLH....now if DLH was investigated as a promoter the way Bob was by the FBI, then I could understand Golovkin calling out Oscar’s ethics...either way I think Golovkin should focus on his training because the rematch is happening. If he wants to continue blasting Canelo as a cheat...so be it. He has the right and it only helps the promotion for the rematch.

 

Eh, it's fair for them to call out Oscar on corruption. If he said Oscar was a doper today... well that's obviously a different horse. But on corruption more power to him.

 

I give GGG the benefit of the doubt because he made the statement in English, his 2nd language. But even if he was referring to DLH being corrupt, it’s still very much a slippery slope. I for one think most promoters are corrupt at varying levels but if there hasn’t been any FBI probes or investigations into his business ethics; GGG may want to tread lightly making those kinds of accusations.

 

There are Federal laws protecting boxers from promoters due to the rampant corruption, so ugh yea, where was I going again... eh doesn't matter. GBP is as corrupt as it gets.

 

On the money man

 

I think he needs to go on with the fight and continue to blast Canelo as he sees fit. It only helps the promotion for the rematch.

Chances are Canelo was dirty for the first encounter and GGG won that fairly easily. This time, I don’t think Alvarez will be benefiting from a complete cycle of PEDs throughout camp because of the dirty test and is now under the microscope. He’d be foolish to try to continue doping so GGG might be facing a lesser version of Alvarez in the rematch, but also a version with more experience having went 12 with GGG last time.

 

Well there must have been a reason why it was banned. And more than 3 months after it was banned, it was stilll in Povektin's system.

I think what you're getting at when you say meldonium is a far cry from clenbuterol is that meldonium appears to be far more effective as a performance enhancer than clenbuterol is, and from the sound of it, it sounds like it's far safer and more beneficial to an athlete to use as a supplement than clenbuterol.

So this gets to the core of this debate, which is more "harmful" and which is a better "performance enhancer". From what your saying, and from what I've been hearing lately, it sounds to me like clenbuterol is potentially more harmful and less beneficial to an athlete's well being or "performance" than meldonium is. I'm guessing that's why it was banned, because those athletes that were using meldonium were able to perform better than those who weren't using it.

So if someone wanted to use a performance enhancer, to become healthier, it sounds like they would use meldonium before they would use clenbuterol. It doesn't sound like using clenbuterol is something that is going to enhance your performance or your overall health the way that meldonium would. As you said, it's been used By EEs for decades. But if it's banned, it sounds like using meldonium would seem to be way to actually cheat and gain a performance edge more than taking clenbuterol would.

 

I agree GBP is corrupt, but knowing DLH he would probably vet out the legal route and claim GGG slandered his name just to be a d*ck. Especially if GGG hands Canelo an L

 

Eh, I disagree. Clenelo's already gained the benefit of his cycle. He was most likely cycling off the Clenbuterol which has a very short life in the system. The picogram amounts support this theory since his first positive had 600 pg and the second days later had much much less at 60-80pg. It comes down to science and math and whomever is doing the calculations missed the target which is why he was popped. He won't get popped again moving forward because he won't be stupid enough to be doping from the start of camp till the fight. It's all the months leading up to camp that they would be running a cycle.

 

What we do know is Clemelo failed two drug tests.. Anything else is just rumour... Clemelo has failed drug tests so he should be punished in some way #FACT#. That is the rules...

Now just because you love to hang off his nuts doesn't mean he should get special treatment does it.

I'm sure there are heaps of Russian swinging of Povetkins nuts but look at the hate he gets because he too failed two tests..

I don't like this whole PED thing and personally think it should be open season, least it would be an even playing field but the facts are you fail a test you should be punished...

 

Chances are Canelo was dirty for the first encounter? What makes you say that? (it was a draw BTW)

Was VADA not involved in the first fight?

 

I agree with CST, I think he's trying to build up an angle here, but honestly GGG knows there's way too much financial upside to pull out of this fight. Regarding Canelo I still think his failed test could have came at the hands of poor judgement, but until proven guilty or failing another drug test, I still have to give him the benefit of the doubt here. I will say this though, if Canelo does fail 1 more test now or in the future I will turn my back on him and label him a PED cheat like everyone else already did.

 

Yes good point,Canelos got less chance in the rematch than in the first fight imo,if he tries to engage more he’ll come off second best,yes he has the hand speed but what good is it for thirty seconds a round?
Golovkin whilst looking like a 50yr old still has the knowledge that he’s the fitter,stronger and more skilled boxer whilst Canelo has the knowledge he fought the fight of his life and still came up short by some way,he knew he was losing badly when he came out in round ten with a flourish.
All those on here getting carried away by his extra muscle are kidding themselves as he’d of been better staying lean as possible and running some more imo.

 

No, Golovkin should just keep doing what he is doing, speaking out in every interview, if I was him I'd be even louder nearer the fight.

At pressers, interviews and even at the weigh in I'd have GGG and his Team wearing "We Test Clean" Tshirts, it will be all over the media, I'd pull all sorts of stunts LOL

It's quite clever from Golovkin, the eyes of the boxing world are on this one and a lot of them eyes are looking for all the wrong reasons.

The judges will be under heavy scrutiny, the officials will be under heavy scrutiny and now Canelo will be under heavy scrutiny regarding tests and not forgetting other things like the hand wraps.

Golovkin is putting as much pressure on all of them as he can, he is highlighting these issues and almost forcing people to watch for the slight of hands tricks and in some cases the blatant bias or alleged corruption.

If they want to stiff Golovkin they will have to do it blatantly and seriously damage boxing and their own reputations.