Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

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Is Canelo Alvarez deliberately cheating?

  1. Canelos a clean fighter

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  2. Clenelo is juicing

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  3. Who gives a flying ****??

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  1. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry I don't give a **** what you do, but you seem to want to dig up everything just to save Clenelo. You don't come across as a honest individual.

    That said, what were these circumstances then???????
     
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  2. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    He doesn't come across as a sane individual
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you would have read the link I provided you with you would have known.

    https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2017-04/wada-statement-on-ard-documentary

    It should be noted that athletes around the world are tested by WADA-accredited laboratories having very low level detection for clenbuterol. Cases are regularly reported and sanctioned when it is proven that the clenbuterol is of pharmacological origin. Hundreds of cases have been prosecuted since 2010.

    What determines who gets banned is largely based on whether or not the clenbuterol is proven to be of pharmacological origin. For example after a multi-year investigation, Condator was found to have used a supplement. (and it wasn't just in training months before an event in voluntary testing like with Canelo, it was during the actual tour de france race "in competition")
     
  4. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He acts like a crazy shill, but for a boxer? Weirdness. Look he's going around posting crap he doesn't actually read or understand.

    And also, about the most hilarious part is that none of this matters, the trying to change our minds because its down to the corrupt NSAC.
     
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  5. elbonzoseco

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    Ok, theoretically up to 1ng/ml is possible due to tainted meat, but you have to consider timing and bodyweight. there's a reason why skinny cyclists come up with lower numbers. Also, it would be highly unlikely (not impossible of course) that the test happened just when the concentration would be the highest.
    That would be quite the coincident, it's definitly more likely that the substance was already on it's way out.

    So the same doctor you just quoted suggested a threshold for future tests: 200 picogramm

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contadors-scientific-expert-de-boer-details-defense/

    And remember, he was on team contador, when he suggested that. He certainly wouldn't choose a number that'S too low ;)

    So in conclusion, you want to believe that Canelo somehow ate the most contaminated meat possible and was tested just at the right time to get the highest measure possible...
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're the one who have been posting crap like 600-800 picograms is too high for it to be contaminated meat, to which I fact checked you on. I'm posting relevant on-topic information from WADA and the IOC that obliterates the falsehoods you have been posting. You're not fooling anyone.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Take this scenario. Canelo eats a contaminated steak for dinner. A few hours later he sleeps. He wakes up the next day with a VADA agent at his door asking him for a random urine test.

    Would that scenario qualify in your mind as a test where the concentration of clenbuterol would be at its highest?
     
  8. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Listen moron, you don't understand jack. What you quoted and keep regurgitating w/o understanding is that there was a huge explosion of Clen cases from the Olympics as I stated from host countries that ignored the bans on Clenbuterol. Thus as Olympic athletes go to the actual country to compete, they cannot avoid this clenbuterol consumption. It was in the ****ing news and there was a storm all around it.

    The hilarious bit is that you are trying to use those circumstances to clear you homo lover Clenelo. You are the joke. You don't understand jack and are trying to pass off this info to change the unaware posters minds which is hilarious.

    Lmao, look at these corrupt headlines of the IOC trying to bury results to protect their loverboy in Jamaica.

    IOC denies covering up 2008 Olympic doping cases allegedly involving Jamaican sprinters

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athleti...g-investigate-positive-drugs-tests-including/
    https://sports.vice.com/en_us/artic...amaican-sprinter-doping-tests-its-complicated
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...lympic-doping-cases-jamaica-article-1.3017304
     
  9. deyell

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    Any amount of Clenbuterol is doping, says WADA

    "Just because it's small doesn't mean it's not doping," WADA's Christiane Ayotte told the New York Times. "This is just the dopers adjusting or mis-adjusting to the testing."


    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6655/Contador-Any-amount-of-Clenbuterol-is-doping-says-WADA.aspx

    Saul "Clenelo" Alvarez = PED cheat
     
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  10. elbonzoseco

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    actually, the highest concentration is 90 Minutes after ingestion.

    https://edoc.ub.uni-muenchen.de/20235/1/Gfrerer_Lena.pdf

    quite unlikely don't you think?
     
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  11. shadow111

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    OK if the highest concentration is 90 minutes after ingestion, still, in your estimation being tested the morning after eating a contaminated steak would still produce a pretty high level test result would it not?

    Both WADA and the IOC consider anything under 1,000 picograms a possibility of eating contaminated meat. 600-800 picograms doesn't reach that plateau, but still is a relatively high level. Not the highest for contaminated meat, but pretty high, so I'm guessing if it was contaminated meat, that level would probably be consistent with being tested the day after eating the meat. (or the day of)
     
  12. elbonzoseco

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    How do you get to the conclusion, that would be the case after give or take 12 hours? You have any data on that? Well, we have the second test, which was just 1/10th the amount. Do the math.

    I get it, it's what you choose to believe, but this is not religion
     
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  13. thesmokingm

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  14. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    I guess you missed WADA's statement that any clenbuterol in the system is a positive test, and thus a violation.
     
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  15. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    I think the current 186 votes saying Canelo is a cheat vs 10 that say he is clean from guys who follow the sport pretty closely, says as much as you need to know.
     
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