Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

Again you're taking a number out of context and twisted it to fit your narrative.

Seriously though, you should apply your level of spin to a job man. Apply to something productive.

 

You said this yesterday before you disappeared, when we were finally starting to get somewhere. I've been unable to find his full statement that keep referring to about where you say he says the first sample was "way too high". If he thinks the first sample was way too high then why would he say "these values are all within the range of what is expected from meat contamination"?

If he really made this statement about the first sample being really too high, then please provide us the link with Eichner's full statement that you keep talking about.

 

I can see you're still fighting what WADA and the IOC considers the limit. But I want to give you the opportunity to show us where Eichner said the first sample was "too high" like you keep saying.

Where can we find his full statement where we can verify what you're saying?

 

Are you that stupid?

 

Walk me through your math.
Why .6? Why 12 hours? Why "sounds about right"? Why linear?

Formula for half life is A = I * (1/2)^(t/h) where:
A = Final amount
I = Initial amount
t = Time
h = Half life

Clenbuterol's half life ranges from 26-48 hours, depending on where you get your information (with 36 hours being the only consistent number in the ranges given).
By observation, best case scenario for Canelo is 88 pg given I = 600 pg and t = 72 hours.

 

I'd ask you the same question. I've been unable to find the quote you keep talking about where you're claiming Eichner talks about the first sample being too high.

All we have is that letter where Eichner's quote is referenced. I've searched around trying to find the full quote, but I have not been able to find more than that quote that appears in that letter.

If what you're saying is true, that Eichner went on to talk about how high the first sample is, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to link us to his full statement that you keep talking about.

 

That's the problems with idiots, they only see sides to root for. Shadow is no different.

 

We don't know if the tests were exactly 72 hours apart. That's just an estimate based on 3 days. I used 72 for my calculations, but they may have been taken in the morning of Feb 17th and the evening of Feb 20th for example, making it a longer duration between the tests.

If you plug 78 hours into the formula, with a 26 half life value and 600 pg initial, you end up with 75 pg. With 78 hours and a 26 half life with 640 pg initial, you get 80 pg.

With such a large range of the half life for clenbuterol, I don't think we can make these calculations and jump to any conclusions about whether or not Canelo is a cheat with any certainty. Hopefully we will find out more about the results of the investigation from the powers that be today.

 

Speak for yourself. I've stayed much more neutral on this than the folks who believe so strongly that Canelo is a cheat. I am taking a "wait and see" approach rather than accusing someone of being a cheat without know that he is one.

 

I see a douchebag over at the scene spouting about cut offs and threshold limits. Could it be the same douchebag? I also see the links to Dr Eichners comments left and right and our douchebag here is acting like he's blind to it. He can scour the internets for a needle yet is blind to whats in front of him lol.

 

Shadow111. If you understand how Clen is used when "on cycle" you would understand the dramatic drop makes it more likely to be from pills than a food source.

When you are on clen, you ramp up the dosage till a complete stop. You usually stop due to the massive amount of potassium + taurine that is dropped from your system due to the clen thus creating horrific muscle cramps. Clen is much like caffeine and your body becomes used to the effects of clen quickly and will require dosing up quite quickly. Thus the high dosage to high drop as hes recently come off. If you have ever used/know personally someone who has used clen, you would understand the mechanics of the cycle and why the likelyhood of Canelo being on cycle is more plausible than "contaminated meat".

Most users of Clen will ramp up 20mcg per 3-4 days if you are using it in a short 2-3 cycle. cycle off, then back again and with its very low half-life it makes it extremely easy to cycle on and off and not get caught majority of the time. And yes, Canelo would cycle the clen before his camp. It means he can bulk up as much muscle as possible while retaining close to the weight he needs before camp.

Getting advice from a guy whose clearly has no experience from "PED's" and just reciting lines from google to back up a case just shows how much of a Fan boy you are Shadow...

 

You're a side picker....pretty clear.

 

Its a shame they never released Canelo's Potassium + taurine levels from the test. That would make it soo much easier to judge if he was on cycle or it was "contaminated meat"

 

Brainiac I'm not a member over at the scene lol. What's your problem? I'm asking you for a link to Dr. Eichner's full comment. I tried searching for it but couldn't find it ! I haven't checked over at the scene. I want to read what you're saying about Eichner talking about how the first test was too high, but I haven't been able to find it. Why don't you just link us to Eichner's full statement if it's something you keep talking about? Your the one making the claim it exists, not me, so the burden is on you to show it exists !

 

Grow up.