Joe Louis vs. Valentino Highlights (High Quality)

I already admitted he was a shell of his former self

I made a point that he still had some power left in 1950 by evidence of this fight and how sharp and heavy his right hand was, and more importantly how active he used it here...keep word here is some.

Do you think he still had some power left or was all of it gone?

 

Yep, and this fight took place in 1950 when a lot of people said his power was completely gone!

Just goes to show how great he was in his prime late 30s...in my opinion Louis has a case for the greatest fighter of all time.

 

Dempsey still had power in his 70's. But power ain't sh*t without timing and reflexes. That was missing from Joe's arsenal. Taking out a retired B-rater in an exhibition doesn't exactly prove your point.

 

I’m using my eyes as well. Pretend for a minute you have no idea who joe Louis is or his age in this fight..if you saw the clip, you might think his right hand had quite a bit of juice behind it..and some speed. He doubled up on it on the finishing combination, beautiful uppercut followed by overhand right.

 

I have seen the finish from another angle but have not seen as much as this before. Valentino looked good I thought, and Joe was clearly still a world class fighter, without question.

Obviously joe was something to behold before the war, but he’s still a world class fighter here - and he proved it by legitimately beating rated contenders like Bivins, Savold and Cesar Brion to become the #1 contender again.

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I find it highly amusing that in your unrelenting crusade against George Foreman , you constantly tell us .Frazier had eye problems,that he could no longer judge the distance for his hook ,and other excuses so that the merit of Foreman's blow out of him should be tempered with .Yet here we have a blind in one eye retired fighter and you are using it as a yardstick to tell us how Louis was still terrific,which of course you do to build up your God Marciano.
How absolutely transparent , predictable ,and rather nauseating that is!

"What nobody except Valentino and Andrade knew was that Valentino had gone into the Louis exhibition completely blind in his right eye.

“During the eye test at the weigh-in, I brought my right hand over my right eye and read the chart with my good eye,” recounted Valentino. “Then I used my left hand to cover my right eye and nobody noticed.”

The eye had originally been injured in the first of three Bay Area ethnic turf battles with Tony Bosnich. While Valentino was a full-blooded Italian, Bosnich was of Slovenian descent. Their first bout was declared a draw in the first round when Bosnich opened a deep gash on Valentino’s eye with a head butt. "

 

I can't get over who short Louis' punches are. You look at boxers who aren't as good, say Whyte, Chisora types and their shots are so wide or telegraphed. Louis looks like he could box someone inside a phone booth.

 

At this stage of his career Louis had 59 fights and countless hundreds of exhibitions,he was as well schooled as a boxer could ever be.

 

Exactly. Nobody knew. And watching the early moments of the clip, you wouldn’t know Pat had a bad eye. He’s tearing back at Louis, throwing bombs on the way in looking for all the world every bit in shape as he was for Ezzard Charles in his previous outing. He exchanges with Louis.

Pat was not so much a special fighter in the first place. The only film I have seen of him is the Charles fight where he looked a strong capable type. He was not doing sophisticated things like Frazier was against Ali, timing his footing and closing the gap with a punch. Pat simply was a good honest plodder in the two bits of film we have against Louis and Charles. From what I recognise in him he’s not doing anything different in the short moments we see here. I never saw him use range with Charles or Louis.

Why should I write off Pat if I don’t think he looked any different? Unless you have seen even more of the fight, and spotted a real decline in Valentino between the two films I am happy to insist Louis beats a good fighter here. And why wouldn’t Louis beat a good fighter? He went on to beat all those contenders Savold, Bivins and Brion Didn’t he?.

 

Nobody knew he had a bad eye? Bull**** he had an operation on it before he fought Charles was that a secret?
"I just had an operation on my right eye and was out of the gym [for almost a year],” he recalled. “Three or four days after getting the okay to resume training, my manager, who turned out to be a louse, told me, ‘You’re fighting Charles in four weeks.’ I said, ‘I can’t be in shape to fight the champ in that time, push it back a bit.’ He just told me to get in the best shape I could.”
You are totally hypocritical on this.

 

So then what’s your excuse for Valentino being ahead on scorecards vs a prime Charles after 8 rounds?

Clearly he wasn’t a walking dead

 

Mcvey,

You stated on November 3 2017 about the 1950s Louis “He could no longer pull the trigger on his right hand”

That’s your opinion. My argument is this fight here against Valentino in 1950 shows a sharp heavy ACTIVE right hand. Enough steam left to knockout top contenders.

 

My problem is Choklab's double standards on Frazier posts he states he was only a facsimile of the man he had been because of a damaged retina and could no longer judge his distance ,and therefore Foreman's ko of him has to be tempered with that.
On this thread he makes no allowances for Valentino being totally blind in his right eye.That is hypocrisy of the highest order.I never said anything about Valentino being a walking dead,So why did you even go there?

 

Louis wasn't knocking out top contenders in the 50's.
From Sep 1950 until Oct51 he had 10 fights with only 3 stoppage wins. Over a ringworn
Lee Savold .Who was nearly as old as himself.Stopped 11 times
Andy Walker . He had 1 win of his last 3 his record is 28-10-1 with 10 stoppage losses. UNRANKED
Freddie Beshore. He had lost his last 4 and was stopped due to bad cuts. 7 stoppage losses .UNRANKED
"He could no longer pull the trigger on his right hand.
That is my opinion ,it is also the opinion of Joseph Louis Barrow,stated categorically in his autobiography.

 

How about we use the eyes of those who had witnessed Louis entire career and then witnessed him against active, ranked fighters, not retired B-raters with bad oculars fighting in exhibitions?