Anthony Joshua vs Muhammad Ali who wins this super fight?

Anthony Joshua is no defensive wizard! He was there for the taking, but Wlad had lost the timing on his punches. Not just on the left hook, but also on the right hand and on the jab too. That's what inactivity, ring rust and being 41 years old does to someone. The left hook had worked best for Wlad in the past against opponents that were previously hurt like Anthony Joshua. Especially opponents who were as big and not as mobile as Anthony Joshua. An active and a younger Wladimir Klitschko would've finished off Anthony Joshua after having him hurt in the 6th round.

And I've already debunked the myth about Wladimir Klitschko clinching Eddie Chambers. He averaged less than 4 clinches every round (that's a standard amount of clinches in most heavyweight bouts). That was one of Wlad's least clinchiest fights. Clinching made pretty much no impact in that fight whatsoever!

Eddie Chambers was far quicker and slicker than Joshua. If he could catch someone like Chambers when he wasn't as hurt as Joshua was, then that version of Wlad would've found it easier to catch a less mobile Joshua.

That wasn't the challenge I offered! The challenge I offered was to find me a super heavyweight the size of Wladimir Klitschko who threw multiple left hooks from out of range as Wladimir Klitschko did against Ray Austin. To my knowledge, this feat has never been done by any super heavyweight that size.

The left hook KO by Riddick Bowe was a typical / standard punch against Jessie Ferguson. They weren't multiple leaping left hooks.

And the fact that you try to compare someone like Jesse Ferguson, a guy who has been stopped multiple times before fighting Riddick Bowe by other boxers (including far lesser boxers) and also stopped multiple times after fighting Riddick Bowe to someone like Eddie Chambers, who was never stopped before or after by anybody else exposes your lack of intelligence.

Jesse Ferguson is a guy with 18 losses and 7 stoppage losses. Meanwhile, Eddie Chambers has only 5 losses with only one stoppage loss to Wladimir Klitschko in his entire pro career. They're not even comparable! It's a false equivalence fallacy to even compare the two!

If you want to use boxers at the caliber of Jesse Ferguson as examples to prove your point about Riddick Bowe. I can do the same with Wladimir Klitschko too. He has knocked out a lot more opponents at the level of Jesse Ferguson with his left hook.

Go take a look a look at Wladimir Klitschko's KO over Marcus McIntyre (who by the way, has a far better record than Jesse Ferguson with only 3 losses and stoppage losses out of his career record):

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A single left hook from Wladimir Klitschko flattens Marcus McIntyre.

There are plenty more examples. But you get the point!

And I could say the same about Wladimir Klitschko. If Wladimir Klitschko fought the puddings that Riddick Bowe did, he would have even more knockouts with his left hooks.

There was only one legitimate knockdown against Anthony Joshua for Wladimir Klitschko. The other 2 were a case of him being pushed down to the canvas or rabbit punched.

I'm sorry, I have no idea who Elroy or Glover are. Keep your obsessions or excitement triggers to yourself perhaps?

I have every right to believe that Eddie Chambers > Muhammad Ali. I also have every right to believe Samuel Peter = George Foreman. I don't need to be a 1970 worshipper like some of the other clowns. I know what my own eyes tell me and I know what the actual facts are, based on the stats.

So when a 40 or 40+ year old Wladimir Klitschko finally starts showing signs of declining and struggles against lesser opponents like Bryant Jennings. All of a sudden, the likes of Bryant Jennings, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua deserve full credit for beating Wladimir Klitschko as if Wlad was at his best?

But when Wladimir Klitschko lopsidedly beats a 40 year old Ray Mercer. All of a sudden, Ray Mercer was too old doe?

As I said, let's wait until Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury are also 40 years old and let's see how well they're doing, relative to how well Wladimir Klitschko done.

 

Do u even realise Joshua started boxing at the age of 18?

 

It was a left hook that one shotted the extremely durable Fergusson out cold in the first round. Your challenge was answered and you didn't like that Bowe stopped Jesse with a single left hook , while it took Wlad 3 of them , so you're pathetically trying to dig your way out if by calling the left hook ko a 'typicial / standard punch' .

They weren't leaping left hooks by Bowe , but neither were Wlads. Wlad hit Austin with a solid left hook , then followed through with small left hooks thrown at a 45 degree angle. They would never have touched Austin had he not been falling into their direction. They were short and chopping , not leaping. Understand what is a leaping left hook. Rockys ko over Harry Matthew is what a double leaping left hook looks like.

lol.. You just exposed yourself , not me. Ferguson had only been stopped once in his career prior to facing Bowe and that came against Carl Willams who had to batter him all fight long before getting him out of there in the last round. Bowe went through Ferguson like he was nothing. One round - gone.
So not 'multiple stoppage losses ' like you falsely claimed , just one , to a guy who was a better boxer than Eddie Chambers.

His wins over Buster Douglas and Ray Mercer are better than any win by Haye at HW so Jesse Ferguson is near enough to the level of David Haye , not Marcus McIntyre.

Ferguson fought on the world stage , Marcus fought on the club circuit and his wins came against guys nobody ever heard of , thats why he has less losses, he fought NOBODY. Ferguson is obviously a better fighter , you can tell that just by looking at him during his prime years in the 80's and early 90's.
You also have the fact Jesse took a prime MaCall the distance in 1991 and a well past prime MatsaCall knocked Marcos out in 3 rounds in 2000. The same amount of rounds it took Wlad to stop Marcos.
Jesse light years beyond Marcos and thats not even debatable.

Not true. . Marcus McIntyre eat multiple left hooks during those 3 rounds. Riddick Bowe slept the much better opponent in Jesse Ferguson with the first left hook he connected with in the very first round.
My example >> your example.. My posts >> your cut n pasted passages off the HW Blog.

 

Goes similar to the Foreman fight..... AJ beats the hell out of him but gets stopped when he gasses and Ali puts it on him.

 

Mcintyre looked like he caught a good left hook but had a little think before he went down. I agree with you though, Wlad was a great fighter. He beats most for me from the past including Joshua. The only one I have doubts are Lewis and Vitali with him, and obviously he aint fighting bro. He beats Ali in the shittest fight ever imo

 

Thing is though, I don't think he beat the hell out of Ali like people say, its bull****. Ali was in command the whole fight, took some shots, but in general people make out he was getting battered pillar to post and summoned up a miracle to stop George. Foreman fought the fight with zero ring iq, he handed the win to Ali. When he started to jab later on in the fight he was having success(like anyone with a good solid left jab did with Ali) but by then his strength and energy levels were gone and it was just a matter of time. I don't think Foreman gets ko'd if they returned btw

 

Yeah I agree that Foreman fought like an idiot... Could have won with better tactics. AJ would fight would more IQ but still gasses and gets stopped late.

 

Joshua was struggling to land clean on gatekeeper Carlos Takam...

 

I used to laugh at people saying Foreman could win the return, the older I've got the more I think they are right. I believe people get sucked in to thinking Ali couldn't lose genuinely mate, me included. Lennox Lewis for me savages Ali late badly, don't think he stops him, but I think Lewis ragdolls him

 

Peak 60's Ali takes Joshua to school and probably University too. Before stopping him between 8-10.

70's Ali minducks AJ like he did Foreman and then shows him what it looks like to have the biggest balls in the division. Ali by stoppage before the 11th.

 

Yep, and your boy struggled to land on a gatekeeper.

 

Kubrat Pulev is heavy handed. His jab due is nasty. Would still favour Joshua to gun him out midrange. But I favour Pulev against Wilder. That would be the perfect matchup for him. Sad part is that he Will be to old soon. Most underrated hw at the moment.

 

Step away from the glue bag son.