Wilder not going to Cardiff

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Puroresu_Fan, Mar 27, 2018.


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  1. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    You forgot C side Kalle Sauerland. Wilder is the D side.
     
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  2. kirk

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    Well we solidly disagree on that. I think its fairly apparent, at least through my perspective, that Wilder KO'ing Whyte and then calling out AJ afterwards and then it happening, makes the fight bigger. However much bigger is debatable. But Whyte is a top heavyweight, a british stablemate of sorts, and a common opponent.... beating him impressively, a guy who would arguably be Wilders second best win, and one of Britain well known names, adds a lot of momentum to an AJ fight.... and I actually genuinely believe that Hearn knows that as well.


    Let me make it clear, that the obvious decision here is to just make the fight. (AJ vs Wilder) That is choice number one. Im not advocating waiting on that to make the Whyte fight.

    What I am saying, is that if AJ vs Wilder does not happen next, it makes no sense not to fight Whyte, as it does indeed, imo, make the perfect lead in to the AJ fight and adds fuel and momentum to that situation.


    We will just have to disagree on that.
     
    kirk, Mar 30, 2018
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  3. kirk

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    you go out of your way to call Ortiz 'old man Ortiz' as if he wasnt almost universally considered a top 5 heavyweight and one that would be considered AJ's second best win to date by most boxing heads regardless of his age.

    Fact is, Wilder signed to fight Povetkin, signed to fight Ortiz much earlier, Arreola was a last minute replacement, and Washington was a comeback fight after some fairly serious injuries.


    Wilder has a bad resume for 40 fights and a champion. Yup. Someone can acknowledge that without being bias in their assessments of who he has fought and why.
     
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  4. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Wilder who? The mans a nobody.
     
    Ukansodoff, Mar 30, 2018
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  5. kirk

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    Here is why that logic doesnt apply to me or my post.

    - You say, to not hold him to the same standard as everyone else would be racist.

    Except.... I am holding him to the same standard. What I am not doing, is holding him to other peoples standards.

    If other people (the public : media and fans) would destroy a white fighter for making similar comments, that is their (the publics) problem, not mine, and wont dictate how I treat or view someone.

    Tyson Fury could say similar stuff and it would bug me on the same level as what Wilder said. Not more, or less. So, that the media or other fans would go overboard, doesnt mean I then say 'well... if a white fighter said something like this, the media would rip them up and label them racist, therefor, I will rip Wilder up and label him racist, so that I am treating him to the same standard that the public has'

    I dont care about the publics standards nor their perceptions in this context.
     
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  6. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mr K, The reason I call him "Old Man Ortiz" is because Wilder fans took a huge leak over Joshua beating WK by calling him "old" and quite a few called WK "shot". Maybe it's petty but it has to work both ways, Ortiz looks 50+ years old and his age a standing joke in boxing, other fighters and promoters question Ortiz age.

    I personally didn't and don't recognise Ortiz as a top 5 Heavyweight, his best win is Jennings and that win is questionable in my opinion after his positive test and what he did since Jennings.

    Since Jennings, Ortiz beat a way past any best Tony Thompson who's own form was very poor.
    Struggled and looked awful against Scott.
    Ortiz hit Dave Allen with everything and couldn't KO him, don't even think he dropped him, Allen was stopped on his feet by the referee.
    And then Martz, who the hell is Martz?

    That is not the form or run of results that says "top 5 Heavyweight" in my humble opinion.

    I don't believe I'm bias, far from it, I've said for weeks I give Parker a far greater chance than most, I've said recently Joshua will be beaten sooner or later, I'm not one of those blinkered, bias and delusional people, making all sorts of outrageous claims.

    I just say what I see and Wilder hasn't done anything of note apart from beating Ortiz and taking in account the positive test was Ortiz all that to begin with? It's a legitimate question.

    Wilder does have a very poor resume, he has been a champion far longer than Joshua, Parker is AJ's second unification fight, Wilder after 7 defences has had none.

    Yes Wilder signed to fight Povetkin, I'm sure that was a mandatory so he had no choice, I am sure Ortiz was a mandatory when he agreed to fight him the first time. I could be wrong but I'm sure they were.

    Wilder could have fought Klitschko or Parker but didn't, chose poor opponents instead and now because he gets a little lively on twitter and wants AJ money people are suppose to take him seriously?

    Nah not for me.
     
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  7. GlaukosTheHammer

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    Hearn called Wlad shot to piece after Fury beat him. It's more of an eat your words situation than you give credit.

    As far as Ortiz getting into the top ten. I don't believe you've much scrutinized this class of HWs getting into the top ten or fifteen. That's not meant to be an insult, I'm just saying if you take a closer look at how Ortiz broke into the top ten it's the same way everyone else from this era did. By picking up a letter belt that guaranteed him ranking on the world ranks. I think it happened in like 2011.

    To throw that into perspective, by the end of 2014 Ortiz was ranked 2 by the WBA before Whyte was ranked at all. That is the difference in caliber of journeymen each faced to up to that point. I realize Ortiz had a year jump on Dillian but 2011 to 2014 is plenty of time for Whyte to have caught up if he wasn't padding his record.

    As of October 2015 Whyte is still nowhere in the top 15 because Whyte is still fight such low caliber bums he's got no claim to a world rank. November 2015 Whyte is not ranked. December 6 2015 Whyte is still not in the top fifteen let alone top ten.

    December 31st 2015 Whyte finally crack the top fifteen by doing what? Getting his face smashed by Joshua.

    Ortiz got into world ranks by winning. Whyte got into world ranks by losing to a guy England really really likes. End of.
     
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  8. northpaw

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    I get your POV, it's just that from my eyes, everything that I see is Hearn attempting to
    force a Wilder/Whyte fight, and he should be spinning his wheels to make Joshua/Wilder
     
    northpaw, Mar 31, 2018
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  9. kirk

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    Agreed.
     
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