Would It have made a difference if Schmeling hadn't faced Louis till he was champ ?

Louis destroys him.schmeling got too much credit for beating a green louis

 

I would expect that Louis to beat Max.

 

Max beats him again. Joe needed to be exposed by Schmeling in order to see the flaw and make adjustments for the rematch

Let’s not take away any credit here. Maybe the greatest performance of all time

 

Nonsense, louis was coming off his career finest performances vs Baer, Uzcuden, And Levinsky

 

Pure trash . louis was green when he fought schmeling the first time and it is a fact. Paulino uzcudun(not uzcuden) was totally finished when he fought Louis (in fact louis was his last fight)and he never was a great thing. Jesus what a trash example

 

Insinuating a 21 year old Louis, who hadn't ever gone 10, let alone 15, wasn't green is absurd.

 

You are a clown. Louis himself called the max baer fight his “peak” fight, his greatest performance. That fight happened BEFORE he fought Schmeling.

Louis was absolutely in his prime when he fought Max in 36

 

Louis himself called the max baer fight “his greatest performance”. This fight took place before he fought Schmeling.

Louis had never gone 10 before because he was knocking the craapp out of everyone in the top 10 including hall of farmers in less than 5 rounds. He was a wrecking machine

Louis in 35-36 had some of his all time great performances

Your statement is absurd.

 

Actually a great example

• Uzcudun had never been knocked down in 69 professional fights until Louis dropped him with a right in round four. United Press reported that the right hand "landed with such impact it ripped open a gash in the Basque's face large enough to thrust a finger through." Uzcudun rose on shaky legs at the count of eight, but Louis landed three straight haymakers to finish him off.
• "For Louis, Uzcudun was a puzzle that had to be solved while exposing himself to the least amount of danger," Lew Freedman wrote in Joe Louis: The Life of a Heavyweight. "Louis was patient, trying to penetrate Uzcudun's awkward style where he bent forward in a crouch with a cross-arms style and his face protected. Louis jabbed and moved, jabbed and moved, all the while studying Uzcudun's unorthodox methods. It took a few rounds for Louis to figure out his best approach, but when Louis saw his opening and slammed Uzcudun with a strong right, he knocked two of his opponent's teeth through his lower lip."
• "After the fight, trainer Whitey Bimstein, who worked in Uzcudun's corner, told me that he never saw anybody hit a man as hard as I hit Uzcudun that night,” Louis said. "I was ready for the world."

 

There was a window of opportunity for Louis' flaw to play into Schmeling's strength. Max seized the moment and engineered a brilliant plan and spectacular victory. Part of Max's strategy was based on Louis being overconfident and underprepared. The victories had come often and easy for Joe and few gave Max any real chance of scoring an upset.

Max won that first fight but in spite of his preparedness it was not an easy victory. He took his lumps in those first three rounds awaiting that opening he needed. His left eye was nearly closed. Despite being floored in the fourth round Joe came roaring back in the next couple rounds and for a while almost turned the tide until Max's right hands took the sting out of Joe's attack.

Had Joe won the title from Braddock and then faced Schmeling, Max probably would have faced a different fighter than the one he faced in June, 1936. This Louis would have been motivated to keep the title he had won, and the world situation would have been further incentive, as it was when they met in real time in 1938. On another thread a short while back, a poster noted that as much as dropping his left after throwing a lazy jab Max exposed in that first fight Joe's need for an attitude readjustment. Max was probably the only fighter around at that time that could have derailed Joe's path to the title, but Braddock could possibly have floored a complacent Joe as he did in their actual title bout. This could have kept Joe focused for future bouts. By the time Joe and Max met in this newer scenario, Max's window of opportunity may well have passed. Still, he might have landed a few good rights and made a competitive fight of it. I don't think Joe would have come out with guns blazing as he did in June, 1938, which may have given Max some time to make a fight of it. I see Joe stopping Max by the sixth round.

 

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Ahh refusing to address the max baer fight. You know the one where a “green” Louis knocks out a prime hall of famer in 4 rounds and executes the most impressive triple left hook combination in ring history? The same fight Louis himself called his best performance ever?

 

The man was 21 years old. He hadn't even physically peaked yet! He was also very untested. And don't think Baer's broken arm didn't make Louis a lot better than he was.

 

Untested? Knocking out a prime hall of famer max baer in 4 rounds on top of 4 other knockout victories vs ring magazine top 10 guys is untested to you?

Louis did amazing things in the ring vs baer we have never seen before, and you call him green?