No boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches would be favorite to beat modern super heavyweights

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Modern skilled super heavyweights taller than 6 foot 3 inches in height like the Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder would be favored to beat every current and past boxers shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in height. Even more so if they also weigh 240 pounds or more.

    No boxer, be it from the current heavyweight division or from the past heavyweight division would stand more than 10% of a chance at beating today's super heavyweights.

    Size, physical strength, punching power, height and reach are the most important attributes in the heavyweight division. Skills aren't as important in the heavyweight division!

    Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Alexander Povetkin, David Haye and every other 'small heavyweight' you can name today or from the past, have no more than 10% of a chance at beating modern skilled super heavyweights like both klitshcko brothers, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. It's just the reality! The quicker people accept this, the better it'll be.

    The only chance such small heavyweights possess is merely a 'puncher's chance' for the most part and that's less than 10% of a chance. Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko proved that it's humanly impossible to get past their lead hand (not just their jab), if one is shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in height. Irrespective of how much skills or speed or athleticism they possesses. It's simply against the laws of physics and science! it's beyond the realm of possibility! All they need to do is just extend their arms and that's it. Head movement, boxing skills, speed, feints, footwork and angles all become irrelevant because nothing will enable the 'smaller heavyweights' to get past the lead hand of the Klitschkos.

    Similarly, Deontay Wilder is proving that all one needs when one is that tall and powerful, is just one move. Which is the powerful right hand and no 'small heavyweight' can deal with this single move. And despite his extremely limited and inferior skill set compared to other great small heavyweights like Mike Tyson. He is already on the verge of becoming the far greater heavyweight, despite being less skilled because size and power > skills in the heavyweight division.

    Anthony Joshua is also proving that big muscles, sheer physical strength, size and presence in the ring is all it takes with only limited fundamental skills to be the best heavyweight in the world. Since no other boxer, unless they match him for size, strength and power stand anything more than 10% of a chance.

    The heavyweight division really isn't weak as some seem to think! It's as good as it ever has been. It's just that the 3 top super heavyweights in Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury are so far ahead of the rest of the heavyweight division, that they are close to immune to being defeated by them and have only 10% of a chance at losing against them. Outside those top 3, the rest of heavyweights are evenly matched in competitive bouts close to 50/50 in odds.

    So Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury should receive no credit for beating 'small heavyweights' like Povetkin, Takam and etc.. They should only deserve credit for beating top skilled super heavyweights in their primes. Unfortunately, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua only beat a past prime skilled super heavyweight in Wladimir klitschko whilst Deontay Wilder beat a past prime skilled super heavyweight in Luis Ortiz. Otherwise, none of them have proven to be superior to each other until one beats more prime skilled super heavyweights and not a bunch of small irrelevant insects like Carlos Takam, Alexander Povetkin and etc who aren't relevant in the current heavyweight division.

    If you're shorter than 6 foot 4 inches today, then you're irrelevant and a nobody in today's heavyweight division.
     
  2. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lay off the smack.
     
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  3. Angler Andrew

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    How’s he’s on the smack,everything he said is spot on.folk go on about Povetkin but despite his Amateur record he was lost against Wlad
     
  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's not just Povetkin, but any boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches which includes the likes of Holyfield, David Haye, Mike Tyson and Carlos Takam.
     
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  5. SuperPiccolo

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    Lol you know most people (Dumb people mind you) Think Alexander Povetkin is a reall top notch heavyweight. You know he is 6'2 right? Ross Purrity is 6'3 and knocked out the 6'6 Wlad right? Lamon Brewster is 6'2 and knocked out Wlad.

    You know "super heavyweight" is a term used to describe weight not height right? If you think height makes the heavyweight then why didn't the 6'8 Michael Grant and Lance Whitaker become champions? You really need to stay off the drugs young fella. You don't know what you are talking about.
     
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  6. SuperPiccolo

    SuperPiccolo Member banned Full Member

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    Wlad lost to fighters shorter than 6'4. So he isn't smack on right.
     
  7. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It goes on a case by case basis. I'd favor the 6'3" Holmes over Joshua his work rate would be too much I think. I'd favor Tyson over Wilder, his willingness to brawl would get him caught. I'd take young Foreman over Wlad. Foreman can equal his strength and get Wlad off of him up close to open up his power shots. Foreman was an excellent ring cutter and would chase down the vast majority of back foot fighters. Fury included.
     
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  8. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you think Tyson and Holyfield have no chance of beating a mediocre boxer like Wilder because he happens to be taller?
     
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  9. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Since 2000, the best heavyweights have been:

    - Wladimir Klitschko

    - Vitali Klitschko

    - Anthony Joshua

    - Tyson Fury

    - Deontay Wilder


    All whom are taller than 6 foot 3 inches in height. The best 'small heavyweights' shorter than 6 foot 4 inches have been

    - Alexander Povetkin

    - David Haye


    Do you make Povetkin or Haye the favorite to beat those top super heavyweights?
     
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  11. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But Price is 6'8", so maybe it's not just height that counts. Of course size is an advantage, but to pretend that there's certain break points is just stupid. For example I'd like to see the equation that rendered that a boxer shorter than 6'4" has a 10% chance against a taller opponent.

    A larger boxer will have an advantage against a smaller opponent, yes.
    A more skilled opponent will have an advantage against a less skilled opponent, yes.

    This is nothing new to anybody, and maybe we can leave it at that?
     
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  12. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What a stupid post to make, in light of last night's fight, which was pathetic.

    Ali would rip Joshua to shreds.
     
  13. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're only saying that because they don't exist today. If they did, they would be too small as people say David Haye is too small for today's super heavyweights and Alexander Povetkin is too small for today's heavyweights. George Foreman, Mike Tyson and Larry Holmes would really be no different!
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Somebody ought to have told Price that Povetkin had no chance against him.
     
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  15. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Can a 6'1" HW stand a chance over a 6'3" hw?
     
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