No boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches would be favorite to beat modern super heavyweights

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  1. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ah well that’s just rubbish lol
     
  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But I never once claimed that a super heavyweight can never lose to a smaller / shorter heavyweight. Did I? Rather, my point was that the chances of them losing is only 10% or less. So what's your point? How are you exactly addressing / refuting my main point / argument?

    Wladimir Klitschko lost only 2 times against heavyweights shorter than 6 foot 4 inches out of 69 pro bouts? What's 2 / 69 in percentage? Lower than 10% for sure! So it only proves my point!
     
  3. Luis Fernando

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    Well, Alexander Povetkin (along with David Haye) has proven to be the best 'small heavyweight' since 2000. So if Povetkin can't beat the top super heavyweights of today in terms of being favorite, nobody else can and I don't think there'll come another small heavyweight of that size that can.
     
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  4. SuperPiccolo

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    Lol again you brain dead ******. Tyson Fury is a bum who had one half way decent fight against a washed up has been. Again super heavyweight is based off weight not height. Again Anthony Joshua is a bum who has yet to fight anybody besides a washed up Wlad and last night he struggled to beat a 6'3 Joseph Parker. Wilder is a bum who best win was against a 6'3 old Ortiz. Wlad was knocked out 3 times in his career by fighters 6'3 and shorter. He was knocked down 3 times by the 6'2 Sam Peter. He was knocked down by 6'3/6'4 DaVarryl Williamson. Who cares who long Wlad had the belt in a weak error. The point is it showed that 6'3 guys could beat him. Not only 6'3 or shorter guys bad 6'3 or shorter guys.

    So why wouldn't better 6'3/6'4 guys like George Foreman, Holyfield, Razor Ruddock, Lennox Lewis who was 6'4 3/4 and Riddick Bowe be able to beat Wlad? What about guys like Ike Ibeabuchi, Evander Holyfield who beat the close to 6'5 Riddick Bowe. Mike Tyson who beat various guys who were 6'5 in his career be able to do it? Because again there are weight classes in boxing not height classes.

    How freaking stupid are you kid? You keep repeating the same stupid crap and when I ask you a question you just ignore it and keep asking the same stupid question.
     
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  5. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Buster Douglas was shorter than 6 foot 4 inches.
     
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  6. SuperPiccolo

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    Right I didn't ask you what you though. I didn't ask you who you thought was special. I told you a fact neither Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder fought anybody yet. Lol now you are using guys like Max Baer a guy who fought in a era where most heavyweights were 180 or less? Yeah clearly showing your lack of boxing knowledge.

    Also what does any of this have to do with guys who are 6'3 or less not being able to compete with 6'5 guys?
     
  7. Luis Fernando

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    If it's a top super heavyweight like Anthony Joshua, Klitschko, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. The short and small heavyweights stand no more than 10% of a chance at winning. They may only be able to beat the lower tier / skilled super heavyweights
     
  8. Jim Jeffries

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    A young Lewis would have trouble with prime Tyson.

    The Lewis of the Bruno fight loses to Tyson. He wasn't in his prime then.
     
  9. Luis Fernando

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    You haven't answered my question.

    Which shorter / smaller heavyweight since 2000 has been better than top / skilled super heavyweights like Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder? Mention names please!

    Yes, skilled / top super heavyweights can lose but it's only a small chance that they lose and it's rarely that they would lose to small / short heavyweights.

    And in an era where skilled / top super heavyweights exist like the Klitshckos, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. The small / short heavyweights can never be the number 1 heavyweight.
     
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  10. SuperPiccolo

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    Lol and where did you pull this 10 percent stuff from? What part of your body? There is no factual percentage that is just something you watn to believe. Wlad lost to Corrie Sanders who is 6'3 but listed 6'4, Ross Purrity is 6.2 1/2 but listed as 6'3 and Lamon Brester is 6'1 1/2 and listed as 6'2. Each of these fighters were 3rd rate fighters and they still beat him. Your point is you are ******ed and you should quit waching boxing. Most of the fighters Wlad fought were bums. Some of these bums were taller than him. You act like every person Wlad faced and beat were 6'3 or shorter and only taller guys beat him. Wlad spent the vast majority of his careers facing 4th tier European fighters and turning people away from the heavyweight division. Why do you think people don't care for the division anymore? Because they got tired of boring Wlad fight bums in boring fighters. But you are boring the hell out of me. Keep repeating the same stupid stuff over and over again. None of it is true and most people on this forum don't care what you think. So let me just ignore you now and move on to somebody worth me typing to me.
     
  11. kasabian19

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    Height will always be a factor, but skill and a good chin will always matter way, way more. There simply isn't that many good HW's today regardless of size. A prime Tyson or Holyfield would wipe the floor with the heavyweights of today. Why? Because of their skill, power, chin etc. Same with the smaller HWs of the past. Ludicrous to put everything down to height and size.
     
  12. ForemanJab

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    He's been listed at 6'4'' for fights. According to your logic Povetkin had 10% chance vs Wach and Price. Really fortunate guy to make those slim odds.
     
  13. SuperPiccolo

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    You are kind of right and kind of wrong. Size when it comes to weight is the key factor. Which is why 180 pounds isn't considered a heavyweight. The days of 180 pound or less fighters like Maricano, Dempsey, Tunny, and Walcott are over. They wouldn't even be able to be light heavyweights today.

    But height is never been a factor unless you extremly short. Mike Tyson was 5'10 but 220 pound of muscle. He would always have problems with taller guys who were fast and could use their jabs. But a big slow heavyweight would stand no chance against him. But as I said and will say again for the last 40 years since the early 70's to today the typical heavyweight contenders and champions were between 6'2 and 6'6. There were a few exceptions as I said Tyson was 5'10 and Frazier was aroudn 5'11 or so. But besides those two the average heavyweight height hasn't really changed much. Most heavyweights now are much fatter though.
     
  14. Luis Fernando

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    Price and Wach aren't top / skilled super heavyweights. They are lower tier / skilled super heavyweights.

    Top / skilled super heavyweights are Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko. And Povetkin stands 10% chance or less at winning against Joshua, Wilder, Fury or either Klitschko.
     
  15. Luis Fernando

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    What percentage of fights out of the entire number of fights that Wladimir Klitshcko, Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder have had, did they lose against heavyweights shorter than 6 foot 4 inches?

    Wladimir Klitschko lost 2 bouts out of 69 =3%

    Vitali Klitschko lost 1 bout out of 47 = 2%

    Should I do the same for all the other top super heavyweights like Joshua, Wilder and Fury too?

    Where are all these top / skilled smaller and shorter heavyweights today that you're alluding to? Why don't they exist? Did they just magically disappear?
     
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  16. Staminakills

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    Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else on here, I just don't believe that Ali could ever truly have even a shot at beating AJ.

    Size matters, very much so but it's not just the size that is the deciding factor. AJ has elite level talent, trolls seriously debating that he isn't very highly talented shouldn't ever talk boxing because those people have their heads up their assess and are clueless and ignorant towards everything boxing.

    It's the size of AJ added with his talent and his athletic ability in agility and speed. AJ, DW and t fury aren't losing to any former fighter not named Lewis.

    Of course anyone and everyone could be stopped by the perfect shot, but landing that shot is the trouble and there's literally very few fighters (past it present) that could potentially land such a shot.

    Those fighters that could potentially land such a shot would lose more than they could land that shot.

    We've reached a whole new level it's heavy weight champs and it's never going back because there just going to keep getting better and there staying 6'5/6"+

    I don't believe they're going to get much taller because they're not needing it. Even I'm there NBA there's very few 7' that have the agility to compete with well the 6'5/6"
     
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